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= Slovenia EU = Maps: http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist /slo Podatki za Mars: http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/slo/SLO-MA~1.GIF Slovenia enters EU May 1st 2004. © 2004 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved. Sedna website http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist Mars and it's sattelites on Ljubljana's western horizon: http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/slo/SLOEUW~2.GIF Mars sets 00:00 exactly (have yet tot account for Ljubljana elevation as concerns the Moon's topocentric position). Slovenian Mars as seem from Deimos: http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/slo/SLOMAR~2.JPG http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/slo Mars is in the 7th house due to it's northern latitude and being above the horizon. Mars actually _sets_ at the time, and is thus exactly _on_ the horizon, a very rare position. Due to Aquila ascending, U.S.A. influence may be felt. Slovenia could even become a "battleground" of U.S.A. and EU interests. In various occasions an apparently 6th house Mars becomes a 7th house Mars due to latitude and placement above or below the horizon. http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/nu examples of house switch for astrologers Alan Leo and Dane Rudhyar, as well as examples of planets switching houses 12/1 7/6 ... Some useful data along with the basic maps-simscans: E Aquila (U.S.A.) W Canis Minor (a small country) S Centaurus (horses) N Andromeda (powerful opponent) Z Canis Venatici (nationalism) Kybele ("darkplanet" = Rathke Planet) M.C. Pholus M.C. P.S. I have yet to adjust the Moonßs precise position in accordance to Ljubljana's precise elevation. Mars is setting _exactly_ 00:00 which is most amazing. The usual astrological programs use an intersection of the ecliptic with the horizon which allows for different misconceptions; IMHO. In this example Mars would be on the cusp of the 7th house, something rather agressive if we compare the Bush administration map and Kuwait attack map. Canis Minor can symbolize a national minority or a small people. This experience is sincerely not very well documented at all. It is possible to direct maps when we know what and how, thus secondary "extrazodiacal" progressions are possible. Mars meeting Saturn (we used no astrological program, while aiming at precision) is surely one such event and secondary progression. The recent iovial activities around Regulus ( = Nara Simha , Saint Marc , Winged Lion ) favor Slovenia since Regulus is sacred to Venice, it's natural ally.

P.S. Nahitr: zelo je nevarno da se ljudje kateri ne vejo lastnega ascendenta, kjer pa pozicije Sonca itn vkvarjajo z "astromedicino". Namrech ko ne vejo kjer je Luna (to ni sploh enostavno ugotovit niti astronomom!!!) narobe bojo delali tajming operacije. Seveda odpade da na podrochju exyu sploh obstahjajo pismeni ljudje, kjer pa astrologzi kateri bi znali izrachunati, denimo, konjunkcije (to tudi ni mogoche z denimo astrologshkimi programimi "za ... sploshno ??? vporabo", nekateri kot J...ne spomnem se Solfire? so prav katASTROfalni;))) Z astro.ch se da vsaj priblizhno dolochat pozicijo Lune (ne pa v natanchenm ozvezdju, denimo Sextans, itn)...

http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/IAU IAU (toreej astronomsko) kompatibilna astrologija. Sekundarne (extra)zodijakalne direkcije v prostoru (astronomske, denimo Venera v Hidri Venus in Hydra). /28 28 zodijakalni sistem (IAU Compatible). 22 (+-) ascendentalne konstelacije, vse zenitne in nadirne, 88 system. /tno transneptuni /centaurs kentavrji /sedna /comet /nu /o5 /sedna/28 primeri astrologije-astronomije arhive + magijska nivinska grupa enostavna instant magika O5 ( naredi sam naj se takoj zgodi kar si zhelish ) /nu ima popravek horoskopa Alan Leo in Dane Rudhyar-ja /slo ( kar je O5talo od materijala za Slovenijo) /venexia Claudio na Benetkah ( Oberon 5 Bogeyman peripatetics and dreasmpoints) intruder@stinky.trash.net pO5taj na newsgroup da sigurno domim vidi link od spodaj hvala Klavdij

V tem primeru preveriti che Mars ima severno (?) latitudo. Che ima je v 7mi hishi. Alois-ov (astro.ch) software tega ne vposhteva. Mars in Venera so imeli zanimivo konjunkicojo z luno in jo imajo z Cyllarus, 1994 Ta "Pylenor" in veliko objektov v <- delu Bika (Taurus), levo od Hyades (tapirovo oko). Ko bo cajta popravim napake shvitzartza;) pa che niso hude bo shlo. Bushova administracija (ko se popravi chart) ima Mars v 7mi hishi (WTC...). Ascendent tudi rabi preveriti, ne bo Scutum, mogocvhe Ophiucus (na hitr sem). Pluton v tem letu sem pa tja gre nazaj v Ophiucus iz Serpens (Cauda). http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/slo Zenit je tudi pombembern, kot vsi horizonti e w n s V zenitu je lahko denimo Lacerta ali pa Andromeda. Lahko bi moji uchenci nekaj naredLILI?

Uchenci seveda sproti sodelujejo. Denimo eden dela na Iapetocentrichnosti. Ne vem kjere programe imajo, bo skyglobe in podobno, astronomske pa nekaj experimentalnega... Claudio IAU je uradno zdaj astronomija = astrologija P.S. Pluton v 2004 preide iz Ophiucus v Serpens = astralne eterichne vojne in krize v raju /( peklu veliko demonizacija exorcisti v akciji!!! claude

Human soul is not earthbound at all in it`s errands: IAU compatible astrology initiation. "In roaming omniverse one is at home." IAU Compatible Astrology http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist /sedna /28 Introducing Different Viewing Angles for your Chart The full 28 IAU constellations zodiac along with the changeable ascendental constellations are given at the bottom of this article. "While Quaorians share Varuna and the Sun in Orion, our average astrologer does not even know his own natal Moon, Saturn or Venus might be in Orion." * That could not be tollerated on this planet. True 28 Constellations of the Zodiac, as well as due eastern ascending constellations are conveniently given at the bottom of this article © 2004 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved. Oberon and Titania conjunct May 1st 2004. This might be one of the astrological joys for fairy lovers and druids, but is also an astrological event of great ineterest to babies and mothers as well; namely Titania and Oberon marry when conjunct. The conjunction is as seen from Uranus, of course, in your uranocentrical horoscope layout you might be familiar with, since you're an astrologer (e.g. using Uranus arc directions). /3/ Mothers will be pleased to know the conjunction is fairly favorable to babies and birthgiving in general. See commentary /3/ below for a short list of Oberon Titania conjuctions. * Astrology is the science of the astral realm. A lenghty delineation of Titania and Oberon will be given on our newsgroup http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/ng.html and mailing list. Here is a short information. Titania stands for transcendental gaiety in an often "oversexed" inorganic kingdom. The inorganic beings exchange energy with joy, or should we say, _steal_ vital energy with joy. well, that should be be glorified as love. Titania rules her subordinate spirit within a stern "Castle Chariot" or "Hotel California"-like atmosphere. One loves too much of everything, drunk with sexual enchantment. Oberon is (like) Aurelia, the butterfly-moth-like dwarf-elf from Syria, imported into our druidic woods. Like 1994 TA Pylenor (see Sedna delineation) it consumes inorganic eternity or it`s approximation restless, scented, genial. Oberon shares with Phaethon the need of a Samwise-type grounding. Practical Immortality. See also Oberon 5 or O5 on the site. Master Auberon, Alberon Alf < Elf is fond of trees as it incorporates the lord of the sylphs. Lothlorien is the scenary one can fancy = evoke Him as meant by Tolkien`s genius. astrology is the science of the astral realm, elvish and pixied regions, as well. Astrologers will check the uranian chart for Alpha Pegasi. This short introduction does not allow for all the magick Pegasus has to offer as ascendental constellation. 2002 TX300 giant transneptunian object is of course "near the conjunction", astrologically speaking. Uranian skies often hold only two objects of interest above the horizon. we will touch upon various planetary ascendants later on in this article (the Venusian Ascendant has been conveniently picked to attract attention to most interesting ways to scan omniverse, i.e. your true natal skies). Holy druidic marriages are possible especially for the advanced evocational magus skrying to the Uranus sphere in astral. One such was Prahlada Maharaj as mentioned in the 2004 DW and Sedna delienations on site http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist /sedna /2004 DW Ever seen an animated secondary extrazodiacal direction of Pluto in Coma Berenices? You will. While astral reports do not couple Oberon and Titania too often and surely the event is not a pleasant one, our two observed bodies do meet roughly twice in a terrestrial month. That affords for merry coming together and can as a matter of fact form a dating schedule for astrologers, especially centaurean, avestan, transneptunian, or those dabbling into darkplanets, hamburgers = "uranians" and IAU based. While nature is still young we plant our seed, particullary when Venus and Moon :|:::| cooperate (:|: = Moon, ::| Venus direction or transit). A lenghty delineation is possible for the advanced skryer in astral or vedic yogi. Vedic astrology can allude to astral planets improving the astrologers knowledge of omniverself. Such expansions of astrological knowledge foster our better understanding of the tottality of our spaceborne Self. Suprarchangel Mysefial so-to-speak, one in command of the cardinal archangel-stars. While the Sun is in Orion for Quaorians (we know of inorganic inhabitants all over the system as they are documented in astrological literature, no, not the amusing booklets that pass as such), it might (and as matter of fact, it _is_) in Corvus for the inorganic inhabitants (if such are reported to exist) of 2002 TX300. Corvus can easily be linked to Puck and so on as one progresses along the astrological - mythological - majikal path. To have a (monor) planet or moon in Corvus is quite regular, so the constellation must have been studied. Corvus is said to be one of the Tiamat (Hydra) demons (ministers). /2/ About Astronomical Software at Large It comes natural to check for star positions with the use of astronomical software. The same software will show you your real ascendant in what we call due east, the eastern skies (mine is Monoceros), as well as local Moon, centaurs, plutinos, comets, cubewanos, SDO, Aten and other groups of objects. Disclaimer: This article has really nothing to do with vedic, sidereal, jyotish or tropical astrology. It does have to do with the way ancients would use a computer. Virtual gaze into a maze. Astronomical software and star gazing helps understanding the material and energies astrology works with, spirits including. Cosmocentrical astrology picks a viewpoint that suits the analysis. We are astromapping omniverse. The conclusion and research is on you. We are aware it is already hard to understand a natal chart. It needs seconds, often minutes to determine the client's 1st marriage year. Astrological software at large largely distorts the real solar system and it's relationship to the starry background. People are make amazing errors especially in the field of conjunction. A considerable amount of error is due to the misunderstanding of the position of the planets. No astrologer to my knowledge except astronomers and rare centaurean astrologers will even know the true natal constellation his Sun was in. Moon miscalculations are pardoned since it is vary hard to calculate this object, especially for the location and elevation one is born at. Ascendants _change_ with precession. This is largely misunderstood. One cannot possibly have Aries ascending at this time, but there were times when Crater and aries did ascend in due east. One will argue we use the ecliptic path instead of east. This misplaces the planets as concerns houses. You might have Neptune in 7th and not know it, or worse. The precise latitude of the object is to be taken into account and much more beyond my computing skills. Omniverse should be observed 4D at least, or 3D or using a good 2D simulation. Astrologers had a spirit-guide instead, but we have software, also produced by spirit-guides, like e.g. "delphinian" guides who helped me write Sedna's delineation. http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist /sedna such guides can be evoked by astologers. My own guide for Sedna seas was Silver Belt. sometimes that kind of intelligence can even phone you! Or send an SMS +385911081084 What is new after the introduction of the IAU compatible 28 constellation zodiac? We shifted view to see yur horoscope better. In fact we are having Earth or Oberon in your chart, objects previously undelineated and improbable to find in one's chart. Well we really have fun researching and delineating impossible objects and decided to have them all in your chart. Thus we are moving into a 3D astrology, an idea that astrologer and programmer Ed Falis of alt.astrology.moderated had in mind long ago. The horoscope becomes sightseeing! How much have we advanced! We need seconds to determine marriage and that without any tools, imagine using pen and paper! Amazing. Pen and paper. I can actually write down records, all the love of one's life. The primary directions. Calculate better... Spectrum ZX. Jayne. So much possibilities. Astronomical simulation. The final tool of modern astrology. Input cubewanos. Export animation. Yes, horoscopes are animated! When your Mercury enters Sextans by secondary direction it is of course animated in that constellation. we need no special software for that since astrologers always made use of astronomical software in teh first place. It comes natural to check for star positions with astronomical software. We animate sightseeing. as everybody is familiar with secondary rogressions, we animate them in real IAU constellations, so you can check for events when that Moon enters cetus, or Mercury retrogrades into Sextans, or Venus enters Hydra. The astrologer familiar with Moon in Auriga will predict accordingly. No more need to use fiction = a set of inexisting "zodiacal signs", any more. The horoscopian industry feeds on false horizons. They will never allow for any article of this degree to be published. They will rather close the site. Your life means nothing to them as they pump out unsensical mass desinformation. Checking for the ascendant I have Orion rising with every familiar star like the Pi stars, the Ank of O5IRIS. This is what we call the ascendant as ever something rising in the east. And east means east. So we don't miscalculate our own natal positions like astrologers used to /1/ There is no dark side of the Moon any more? Let us say we'll snoop around every object to check it out. Isn't it what you would do within your neighborhood ??? If your Earth is square, you think Spica Virginis is in Libra. Square deal. Programs lie to suit misleading ideas. Yes, they lied! Astrologers having no idea of their own ascendant or planetary positions filled your shelves and are still filling them at large. No wonder astronomers shun astrologers! But no more. This time we are compatible. Is there a special reason to observe a city from one area only? Big Ben standpoint? Thames fish point? Zeppelin standpoint? Soho dog standpoint? Paris cannot be seen from one point only. In roaming omniverse one is at home. To observe home one quits home. Yes, we shall have planet earth and Cruithne, 2002 AA29 and our primary Moon (Xingu) in our charts. We had them before, only we perhaps did not know. We will not crush geocentrical topocentrical and nonsensical astrology. You will! It is amazing that people using an unexistant 12 sign zodiac think themselves astrologers! Such folks have no idea of their own Sun position but presume to guide others. Their horoscopes are blinders. People have speculated on working out a horoscope from Mars one day. Well, we're actually doing it. We are in fact horoscoping from Phobos on regular basis. "But let us observe that from Phobos. See? Your torch is up! Changes come this way as planets shift position into their real perspective." It is hard to see all the aspects of one chart standing on one planet only. So we shift to see better. In one case, Juno's influence was not clear to me, so I "went to Venus" and observed. Juno shifted to Bellatrix and all was clear. The idea and process is not old, it's just that it became operational as soon a phase in development was completed. Now we know ascendental constellations vary with time and ages as Crater or Monoceros rise. The zodiacal constellations are more or less 28 in number all of the time. http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/28 http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/nu There was criticism about "my web pages". When you will produce 700 Mb of Quaoar material you will know one doing research has simply no time for any web page. Worse. Perhaps he has no connection and works on an i386 or worse. Mind this. Concentrate on the substance. Study the maps. Then you will have enough of fancy web sites. I invited web masters to download (wget) the site (a couple of gigabytes) and upoad the web pages via ftp. My time is up. Shall I climb the pyramid to see the pyramid? Snoop around the pyramid? Fancy it? Enter it? Every angle of observation adds to the experience. Our IAU compatible astrology shifts angles for the advantage of the analysis. What is Cruithnocentrix? The word is to attract attention to a pO5sibility in actualization: we are recreating a new astrology based on the IAU (modern astronomical) standards. The maps show ypur horoscope from various advantage angles, e.g. it is best to observe Juno from Venus by the very character of those objects. We were born and live in Space, not "on Earth". You might not move from Paris, but you inhabit this planet and Moon neighborhood. You can be observed from outer space. In fact you are, God permitting. http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/sedna/28 Astrology has been always based on inorganic evocation and astronomical gazing. The astrologer was and is a rare fellow into evocation (thus inorganic initiation) and astronomy. Our druids were astrologers. Precision is sacred. There is so much misconception, erroneous preassumption at the core of what goes by "astrology" to this new age day that it can be discarded completely. You can throw your magazines in the holy pyre. Keep your astronomy books. You will find no astrological information in colorful books and best seling magazines. All is wrong there. The zodiac is a band where the planets rotate. It consists of 28 IAU constellations (not 13 or even 12 as some "believe"). http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/28 It is out of the purpose of this article to go and elaborate on _all_ of the errors your natal chart _must_ contain to be your natal chart as your local astrologer "believes" it to be. We don't just believe. People who made star maps did not just believe, they observed, sorted, were inspired and produced rituals. You can believe Spica Virginis is in Libra, but in fact it is of course in Virgo constellation. You can believe your ascendant is this or that but looking at your natal skies it is Sextans and mine is Monoceros. Those are visible ascending constellations no eye can deneye. /1/ Alan Leo, Dane Rudhyar and others http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/nu /2/ See also Enuma Elish http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/usenet.html /3/ In 2004 Oberon and Titania conjunct on: ... 1 may 25 may 19 jun 14 jul 7 aug 1 sep 26 sep 20 oct ... The calculations are Uranus centered, but hey can be made from other vantage points, Earth Moon including. The uranian influences are usually filtered by Earth primary Moon (when full) before discharging aspects towards our planet. A short delineation of Oberon and Titania expanded for the use of my students will be given on the site and newsgroup http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/ng.html The Sedna and 2004 DW delineations contain concepts unfamiliar to most astrologers (here are some): 1. The zodiac has 28 constellations. 2. Secondary extrazodiacal progressions. 3. IAU compatible astrology = astronomy. 4. IAU constellations based delineation. 5. Saturn in Orion, Moon in Cetus, ... 6. Ascendants change with aeons and time. 7. Monoceros ascending. Lacerta zenithing. 8. Simscan progression of Earth trojan moons. 9. Secondary progressed Venus in Orion 2004. Here's one of the many manifest - like articles you can find browsing http://groups.google.com for "True Rising Constellations". Note that this article precedes my discovery of the astronomical research in the true zodiac led in 1977 by Dr. Lee Saphiro of Morehead Planetarium, NC. Hope that my little research remains if not astronomically meticulous, at least amusing and correct. Introduction = 28 Zodiacal = Current Ascendental Constellations Note again that "zodiacal" and "ascendental" are not the same at all, while both categories, most remarkably the ascendental are liable to change. It is easy to see how the ascendents change with precession and location. This interesting subject deserves attention and copious computation. This one was done on i386. ASTROLOGY RELOADED © 2003 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved. Simply the East! http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/nu True Eastern Ascendant = True Rising Constellations = Reload here: http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/nu An american citizen has the right to know. He has the right to know which objects circle around his head (he's paid for), but most of all he has the right to know which constellations were active at the time of his own birth. Astronomers will know. There are people who are not astronomers but know something about astrology. In fact the 12 signs system is used to this day even in astronomy, although the usual format is RA/decl. People are told their ascending constellation is Aries when it is clearly not and cannot possibly be. The ascendant usually measured is `known' as `eastern constellation' but is usually the northeastern or southeastern part (at best) of the constellation. Here are the constellations that _can_ rise in due East in 2003. Ophiucus Serpens Cauda Aquila (Equuleus) Aquarius Pisces Cetus (A really insignificant portion of Taurus) Eridanus Orion Monoceros (Canis Minor) Hydra Sextans (A small part of) Leo (Crater ...) Virgo (Libra) Serpens Caput Ophiucus The cow looks over the Due East fence and she sees Monoceros. But a cow looking over the same fence 30000 years ago would perhaps see Crater or even Aries. Let's check it out, then: Triangulum Aries (Perseus) Taurus Orion Gemini Canis Minor Hydra (Sextans) Hydra Crater Hydra Centaurus Lupus Scorpio Ophiucus Sagittarius Serpens Cauda Scutum Aquila Aquarius Equuleus Pegasus Andromeda Pisces Triangulum The cow had a significantly different perspective due to precession. Thus Monoceros (my own true ascendant and prince William's descendant) could not possibly be due East (or West) 30000 years ago. Interesting. It is interesting to know your Moon may be in Cetus, Corvus, Orion, Ophiucus, Auriga or Sextans constellations, your Pluto in Coma Berenices, your Saturn in Cetus, Venus in Hydra and Sun in Ophiucus. Pluto is in Ophiucus and the Moon is in Cetus once a month, so we are not talking about rare or remote cases of extrazodiacal behavior. http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/extrazodiacal delienations for your extrazodiacals Run to NASA and be informed and order your True Chart here! = Clear Skies! = news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5 Clearing your light coocoon is knowing the Intent of Heaven||| © 2004 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved. http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist Rising Constellation: Sextans Sat Aug 09 20:09:38 GMT 2003 Introduction (Continued) Tis is the 28 astronomical zodiac: Do we have only 13 zodiacal constellations, or up to 24? = 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist © 2004 Klaudio Zic http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/ng.html It is widely ignored that the true zodiacal band does not contain 13 constellations only (Ophiucus including), but also a motley variety of constellations usually unknown to the average astrologer. If Pluto was a planet, we would have 28 zodiacal constellations. If we discard Pluto as a mere transneptunian it is, we have a neat set of 24 (on the double!) constellations. Expanding with Pluto, that for most astrologers is nothing but a planet, we have the following 28 constellations the planets travel through at this time and age: = 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist The 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac Aquarius Aries Auriga Bootes Cancer Canis Minor Capricornus Cetus Coma Berenices Corvus Crater Eridanus Gemini Hydra Leo Leo Minor Libra Ophiucus Orion Pegasus Pisces Sagittarius Scorpius Scutum Serpens Sextans Taurus Virgo = 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist We have stated the Sun dwells "only 5 days" in Scorpius, while it can apparently extend it's Scorpius sojourn to a week! The largest constellation occupying the zodiac band is Virgo, where the Sun lodges for 46 days. We have the Moon moving through Libra, Scorpius and Ophiucus for this Valentine. Let there be noted that the Sun is in Ophiucus for an average of 18 days, roughly from Nov 30th to Dec 17th every year. Transneptunians like Quaoar, Pluto or 2002 MS4, as well as giant plutino Ixion are likely to dwell there for extended periods. The Sun spends an average of 23 days in Libra, 7 in Scorpius and 18 in Ophiucus. This may vary from year to year, of course. It is therefore a challenge for the incipient astrologer to calculate his natal Sun's position. = 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist The progressions of the planets have been called "extrazodiacal", while there's in fact nothing "extrazodiacal" in Orion or Ophiucus and the rest, since the planets dwell quite normally there. We had Saturn in Orion last year (and during the world wars), Usama had the Moon near Xi Orionis and so did the WTC tragedy. Scutum or Auriga may look arcane, but there is a score of positions that are common place (e.g. Keanu Reeves' Mercury in Sextans), like this year's Venus in Orion or recent Venus in Ophiucus. http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/extra /cetus http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/nu /sambora © 2004 Klaudio Zic http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist/ng.html Valentine marks the end of Sun's journey through Capricornus and it's entry into Aquarius. But does the Sun determine the Zodiac? O5 Initiations, Astrological Services, I Ching Consultation SMS +385 91 108 108 4 ananta@spunge.org http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist Homework for my Students: Which objects visit Serpens Cauda, Serpens Caput, Canis Minor or Auriga? When (if ever) does it happen that Pluto travels through Pisces or Aries? Can Crater be ascending? Which major centaur dwells in Crater? Progress 2002 AW197 in Tiamat's surrounding. How many days _after_ Valentine the Sun enters into Aquarius? = 28 Constellations of the True Zodiac = http://ghettobox.dhs.org/pucklist .

Lublano si lahko ogledash z Grada ali pa z Rozhnika ali pa od vse povsod. Podobmo horoskop. Opazujemo torej od vse povsod. Problem z Juno mi je postal razviden ko sem si ga ogledal z Venere. Postavil se na Betelguese! Torej perspektive se spreminjajo. To bo res experi-mentalno:))) Uchenci v Ljubljani imajo zhe take horoskope, a si predstavljash. Upam da bo Gerkman slishil;))) Ciao Claudio

Konchno lahko izvesh Venerin Ascendent Kjer je moj Oberon v horoskopu? Kjer je Zemlja v horoskopu? Zakaj me Juno moti che gledam z ochmi Venere? Ostani z nami in shibaj z kometami nove astrologije! The zodiac has 28 IAU constellations. http://puck.dhs.org/sedna/28 so primeri!!! http://puck.dhs.org/sedna/28/mercury_dw.gif From the site that delineated Sedna and Quaoar, upcoming: Venusian Ascendant Oberon in Hydra Mooncentrical Analysis Object-centrical Astrology Here a typical example of Venus in Hydra: http://puck.dhs.org/sedna/28/venusextans.gif http://puck.dhs.org/28 http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html Moon in Cetus: http://puck.dhs.org/sedna/28/MOON_I~1.GIF

Talel Nino zgleda kot Elf:)

Madona che me 1/2 Ljubljane sanja. Spet sam ti forum zakOMpliciral. Mal'enfant terrible Seveda lahko delamo tudi z "normalno2 (hehehe) astrologijo. Jaz sem zhe pO5sal forume v .... in sem svetovni avtoritet za kaj zhe astrologijo (a se temu tako reche?). O.K. upam da se vidi da se tudi hecam? Mesec v Cetus ali v Ribah gremo na vecherjo .... pridem ... lahko me sovrazhijo v zhivo ... iniciral bom nekaj O5 mojstrov (to so oni kateri proizvajajo dogiodke iz nichesar) .... Marsa a si kdaj bila na "Excalibur"ju? O.K. lahko bi si pir privoshchil Kratochwill hahaha Znorel sem od Sedne Munchmallowya in CocaCola-e Ti she vedno yogichki ??? hahaha Tui madona morava zhurirat. Otroci ti spijo??? Dones sem malo pacal po forumju, saj morash tudi vrazhichka 'meti tle:))) Ok shibam!

Hahaha astroloshchina. Stankaaaahahahaha! Tale je masna! Astrolog ishche chveko za chvek pa she kaj http://puck.dhs.org/venexia mozhno tudi celibat:) Motrash biti vsaj sexy kot Laetitia Castaneda

El Nino ti si zhe filthy rich. Diskreiraj "filthy" in si rich. Ko pridem v Ljubljano te iniciram v O5 in si rich takoj. See how $imple??? P.S. S O5 naredish override na I ching moving lines, tranzite, bodoche, prekletstva, hudicha in zelo natanchno astrologijo. Vse to lepo diskreiorash in zhivish ali (ne) delash karkol brez astrologije in jajc. http://groups.google.com/groups?num=50&hl=...te+astrology%22 === za 9 stars experts =::: Garantiram Ti da nimash pojma kaj so 9 zvezd. Preberi si Master of the devil Valley. O.K,. nekaj prevajamo Yilin ( Han dynasty ). Tudi to je astrologija. jaz pa vporabljam pochaso 300 "kitajskih" zvezd. V kitajskem horoskopu sem hairpin on the Battlement Wall. Rdecha Vrana te (ne) bo inicirala v 9 stars praying MANTIC. :|:::| Shaman Boy says: it is not I who pick the Ptalma Sibirica... A shtekash? 9 stars. A Predin she shpila? Obchasih sva...))))

Luna v Biku (kako veste da ni v Cetus?) http://puck.dhs.org /extra /cetus ima zveze z otrokom ko dela RA konjunkcijo z (natalno,) Venero. Mawangdui I Ching ta tranzit (direkcijo!) komentira z :|: luna ::| venera v biku :|:::| otrok se rodi Kdaj je pa Mesec v Cetus? Prej no hodi v Taurus, seveda. Taurus (Tapir) je >*--- Hyades ... komplicirano ozvezdje. Aldebaran je zahodna zvezda rituala 5grama, GBRIAL (arkangel). http://puck.dhs.org /nu /5gram O cunjama lahko pishesh za kakshkno malomeshchansko Pavliho:) ( Lahko pa ne! ) Vidi http://puck.dhs.org /Tapir and the Hare Prophecy Tranziti se chutijo ko se dogajajo. Z tem se strinja Bill Meridian (kolega, Johndro Jayne tradicija). Bill Meridian je astrolog. V smislu _pravi_ astrolog. Moram(o) she razviti programe za tranzite. namrech planeti _ne_ hodijo po ekliptiki (vsaj vechinoma ne): od tod (lahko) imamo +- napake:) Tranziti se drugach dogajajo natanchno na minuto. Zato lahko izvemo dogodek ali ga na minuto narihtamo brez problema.

Pluton je zanimivo proch od iztoka in je zelo zanimivo ga imeti na horizontu.(dalech) Pluton ni planet (to je uradno Caltech...). Ima ful odshtekano orbito (stoji pokonchno). === Kulminantni planet je na jugu. Jug ni M.C. Temu se reche MERIDIAN. Meridijan je poravnan s ZENIT-om. Zenit je zanimiva tochka. Ascendent je iztok. Sonce izhaja dvakrat na leto na iztoku.

Uran je v prvi hishi in blizo iztoku samo ko ima JUZHNO latitudo. Tega astro programi ne vposhtevajo (bomo popravil) :::>>> dogaja se Uran zhe izide (12ta hisha) pa ga program vstavi v 1vo hisho. To so znane napake. Nekdaj jih ni bilo, observirali smo nebo... Mislem gledali smo nembo. Che Uran she ne izide, je v 1vi hishi. Tudi to je malo apstraktno. Zakaj je Sonce v 12ti (rising Sun) "hudobno"? Moksha??? http://groups.google.com/groups?num=50&hl=...%2Bpuck.dhs.org

Ni enostavno (delamo na softwareju) izvedati che je Sonce ali karkoli "v 7mi hishi". Varijante dva programa naj bi to imele na razpolagi ko se lotim tega. Programi so .ch in .cr (Costa Rica) izdelave. Alan Leo je primer napachnega izrachuna Saturna v 12? 1? hishi. http://puck.dhs.org/nu /alanleo Veliko ljudi misli da ima Neptun v 7mi pa je on v 6ti. To je primeroma odvisno o LATITUDI. Zdaj kaj je LATITUDA??? To bomo vprashali srbskega strokovnjaka, hahaha:))))

Zodijak ima 28 konstelacij (ozvezdja) pa to nima nobene zveze z ascendentalnimi konstelacijami. Tale o hishah sem pejstal iz ene analize (sorry!) ne gre se za nekaj uradnega. Hishe so veliko bolj kOmpricirana zadeva! Cele knjige se lahko napishejo o prvi hishi! Vidi primeroma Sedna v 6ti hishi (official) http://puck.dhs.org /sedna (drugi fajl) Seveda verjetno obstajajo prirochniki kateri ti povejo to pa to (autoritativno;) ::: Pishejo ih ljudje kateri ne poznajo lastne natalne pozicije. Denimo nobena planeta ne preide v Monoceros (cheprav gre v Sextans, Auriga, Hydra, ...) pa je Monoceros dnevno na iztoku (moja natalna pozicija). 28 se ne spreminjajo veliko (to rabi raziskavo), ascenddenti se spreminjajo pochasi! Danes ne moresh biti ascendent Aries ali pa Crater, v predhodnimi obdobljimi si pa lahko bil tudi ascendent Pluton. Che si imel Pluton "na ascendentu" ni (nikoli) bil v Aries. To so osnove. Pluton je lahko v Cetus. Ascendenti se spreminjajo z chasom. Obchasih si lahko bila Crater ascendent (Cleopatra). Jaz imam Monoceros ascendent. Veliko jih ima Sextans (Alpha ali pa Beta Sextanti) ascendent (samotno, masonski, precizno, misija, gradbenishtvo, jahte). Devica je veliko ozvezdje, velik je ascendentov Devica. Obchasih je lahko na iztoku bil Aries, pa Oven danes ne more biti na iztoku. http://puck.dhs.org /28

Astrologija ni enostavna zadeva, kot ni muska, opera, rock'n'roll. Se zdi enostavna ko si zelo enostaven:) Zodijak ima 28 ozvezdij (constellazioni, consteaxion). Zemlja im 4 lune. Cruithne bo v Corvus Nov 2012. To so O5nove. Mislem informacije, to she ni akcija. evo malo chetvrta luna: http://puck.dhs.org/sedna /4thmoon ... a si predstavljate naprej? Boljsh da ne... Seveda che ti se 0 dogaja v zhivljenju (Balkan) potem si (lahko) astrolog tudi ti (ne rabish natalne aspekte za to). Ko je Mesec v Cetus tebi bo v Pisces. Ko bo Pluton v coma Berenices bo imel 10 stopinj orbisa (hahahaha!) in bo nekjer. "Astrologi" celo zhivljenje ne vejo kjer im je kakshen planet (Alan Leo je primer http://puck.dhs.org/nu alanleo), kjer pa ascendent, kjer pa Sonce (sonce gre chez 13 konstelacij), kjer pa Mesec (Mesec ni lahko dolochiti!). Ne vem kako da dobivam ta majl. O.K. a za knjige se gre? nekaj smo objavili Mile Dupor pa je to bilo na ? digitalpoint.hr (nekaj tazga). Astrologija ni enostavna zadeva. Nekaj imamo astrologije v .ch (1 astrolog, Nicholas, kar se tiche Sedna-e citira mene, torej "na primorskem" 1), potem 1 Costa Rica, nekaj kot astrolog v Odessa, pa to je vse. Sem pa tja se najde nekaj v U.S.A. (ne veliko, nepomembno), skoraj nich (ena zhenska) v U.K. Italia nekaj zelo zelo malo Schiavin8, se vkvarja z 2002 AW197 (profesor geodezije ali nekaj, potresi pa to). (znani gigantski objekt). To je kot z opero. Srbi je nimajo (niso evropski narod), nimajo opero, ne porabe opero, mislim muziko. E sad se dobro drzhi bre Zhika:)) hehehe:) Srbi nimimajo astrologe. Gre se pravzaprav za varijanto vlahov (vlasi). Morlaci (Nigri, morski vlahi) niso rabili ozvezdja. Primorski slovenci (veneti) so imeli luke (majhne) in so rabili ozvezdja (gaeva da far coe constelasion). Astrolozi poznajo lasrtni ascendent. Denimo moj je Monoceros. Nekaj kot erO5:) Monoceros = unicorn je veliko ozvezdje kjer so pogosto kentavrji, kot Thereus. Mislim da to vlasima uopshte ne treba:) V Istri (Istria tera de dose Erixo) imamo NEO observatorij asro.hr lastnik je Corrado Corlevich (Cor Levi = Regulus => cor leonis = MIKAL the archangel).

Bogati imajo personal power. To sovpada z drugo hisho, pa tudi z vseh 12 hish, namrech vseh 12 so hishe denara, odvisno kakega. Sedna v drugi hishi je dobar $imptOM. Seveda sem pa tja direkcija in tranzitchek pOmaga. Om hrim $rim MahaLaxyai namah:) Jupiter v 2gi hishi pomeni Hypo banka (vodeni konj):3

Misija in poklic imajo nekaj z zenitom. Zenit je primeroma Lacerta in podobna ozvezdja. Chist enostavno in skratka hishe so priblizhno tole: (zenit m+ni M.C.) Astroloshke hishe. V tem primeru _ne_ uvajam radikalne spremembe katere vporabljam in predlagam (jaz vse reformiram). 1. Telo (hebrejski: gooph), ovoj, warper, zdravlje, prva pozornost = karma yoga = ORA ET LABORA, baje izgled, visage, maska, predstava, persona, jaz nasproti drugom (vsi drugi = 7ma hisha) O5ebni angel varuh na ascendentu, ascendentalno anorgansko bitje in ozvezdje => shtevilo in spored le-teh konstelacij se _spreminja_ z chasom!!! Tle je najvech napak. Zelo je zamudno (zaenkrat! razvili bomo programe!) ugotoviti (tle se gre za = zelo = _resno_ astrologijo!) che je planet v 12ti ali pa 1vi hishi. napake so delali tudi "veliki astologi". Primer napak za Alan Leo & Dane Rudhyar http://puck.dhs.org/nu Posebno tlele morava bit natanchna in vedati kaj delava. Seveda ponavadi se vse to vzame kot naj da bi vsak vedal kaj je ascendent "podznak" itn. Ascendenti so lahko Virgo, Sextans, Monoceros, Aquila, Hydra, ... http://puck.dhs.org/28 /nu Kontakt z O5ebnim Angelom Varuhom zahteva pO5ebno inicijacijo in zhe sovpada z evokaciono magiko. She enkrat povdarimo da je ascendent posebno zanimiva in delikatna tochka. Pika na vshodu kjer Sonce _ne_ izhaja. Sonce namrech samo dvakrat na leto izhaja na zahodu in temu pravimo ekvinociji. Od tod napake, kar vsi vzamejo da Sonce in planeti izhajajo natanchno na vzhodu, to pa ni res! fizichna kondicija, kung-fu, telo kot izraz O5ebnosti, manifestacija, moda, vogue, objeka, obchutljivosti tela (lahko stopinje oddajajo medicinske detajle), 2. Druga pozornost = bhakti yoga = osveshchene "sanje" = astralna zavest = PORTA INFERNA personal power, O5ebna moch, sexualna moch, libido, pro$luzhek, O5ebni dohodek, placha, denar, çpajza, ostava, skladiç¼e, çtednja, var¼evanje, na zalogi, "imam", imeti. 3. kOMunikacije, paralele, paralelno bitje, astralni partner, sosedje, sestre, bratja, popotovanja, avto, O5novna shola, DEVS EST HOMO, Smrtni in brezsmrtni blizanec castor in Pollux, Polux je nesmrtni boxer, BOAZ in IOAKIM, tempel Solomonja 4. Issue, uvir, izhod situacije, ALFA ET OMEGA, baza, familija, cerkev, rodno mesto, tuç, izvir, jakuzza, bide, basin, yinyang, binarnost, garazha, hisha, obmochje delovanja, battlefield, (teçko bo prevajati, §al pa imam stil izraza neroden za sploçno publiko). 5. Ljubezen, spalnica, otroci, sport, konkurenca, riziko, loterija, pohotljivost, 6. Ded Mraz, mojstri, hishne zhivali, ritualna magija, zdravlje, zdravljenje, veterina. Sedna je v tej hishi za Vas: vodeno preporajanje in podobno. Mogoche boste zdravila "na dom"? 7. Alter-ego, zakonski partner, vsi O5tali, xy man in the street, nekdo drugi, astrolog, nasprotnik, klijenti, nakupovalci, klijenti za shalterOM, xy osebe, kjerkoli chlovek (predvsem v horarni astrologiji), javnost, publika. 8. Maximum, izliv energije, Styx (reka), smrt, mala smrt (orgazem), sex, operacije (smrtna nevarnost) borba za zhivljenje, partnerjev denar, diskreacija 9. O5veschene sanje, guru, angel varuh, popotovanja, fakulteta, duhovnO5t, inicijacije, Oberon Bogeyman, druga pozornO5t, being-in-dreaming, zvishana pozrnO5t, uspinja¼a. 10. Vrhunski avtoritet, Orel v Castaneda tradiciji, Bog, vrhunsko bitje in vrhunska identifikacija, ambicije in misija v zhivljenju, topdog, shef, lastno podjetje, self-management, prevzeti vodilno vlogo, tavan, penthouse, vrh Triglava. 11. Vdruge, partije, skupnO5ti, bele lozhe, KUD, pravnik, varuh, angeli, PROTECTORES, prilatelji 12. Moksha, the house of the rising sun, rep zmaja nevarnost pred prO5vetlitev, dvanajstina svega kar je O5talo, raztopitev lutke od soli v sve okeanu, tudi black voodoo, chrna magija, neznani odpori in nevarnosti, srivnostni sovrazhniki, tudi osebni vrag osebno (ta se nahaja tudi v 10ti hishi), kopalnica, wc, tavan, podrum.

Sedna je nasproti, v konjunkciji z my own Cassini Lilith. Sedna update: http://puck.dhs.org/sedna http://puck.dhs.org/sedna/%20%20%20%20Sedn...dna%20Update%20

= SEDNA in the 12 ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES = Featuring 2004 DW Plutino Contains a short majikal initiation, as well as Sedna talisman hints Get rich with horary $edna in the second house and savour the deep sea taste of Sednastrology while Sedna is still in Cetus constellation! = New Planet Sedna in Finantial Astrology = http://puck.dhs.org Sedna has already a fair finantial record. Why does it influence the finantial $econd house of the horo$cope with such impetu$? Hypoteticals such as the Avestans, Rathke Planets (see under "darkplanets" on the site), and the Hamburg planets precede the recent discoveries. Admetos is favorable to stock exchange, much as 2002 AW197 is favorable to real estate. Is Sedna Admetos? It could well be! It is not Phoebus of the Rathke Planets, but it perhaps qualifies as Admetos of the hamburgers. The last word is on Hamburg, of course. /Adm/:) = SEDNA in the 12 ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES = Featuring 2004 DW Plutino The recent large astronomical discoveries are being delineated in astrological terms. After Varuna, Ixion, 2002 AW197, 2002 TX300 and that legendary Quaoar, we have 2004 DW and Sedna. Enjoy this time of new classes of objects. The adventure started with 1992 QB1 a decan ago. 800 Kuiper Belt objects await delineation and as it seems we have out first Oort Cloud Object 2003 VB12 "Sedna". = Sedna = Astrological Delineation Update = http://puck.dhs.org It was the summer of '69. http://puck.dhs.org/sedna/summer69.gif Periodical summer conjunctions of our 2nd & 3rd moons (Cruithne & 2002 AA29) involve Sedna and this is a superb omen as it brings relief to the omniverse. The nearest and the most distant blend in cOMmunion! The most happy nativities are those enjoying close conjunctions of 2002 AA29 and Sedna, such as in summer 1969. /*/ This effect is particullary felt in the sixties! The closest and the most unimaginably distant and undiscovered blend in the sixties. Let us not forget the astral vedic and Rathke Planets, as well as a host of hypoteticals from Cassini Lilith to Nibiru. The sixties downloaded this influences and we're just unzipping the files. Centaur Thereus joins the configuration in the early seventies. Centaur Pholus underlines the conjunctions around 1984. Chiron passes by, towering. (This is the product of a brief scan; other objects of interest are surely involved!). Sedna 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5 357.8815 1.7 2003VB12 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5 357.8815 1.7 Cruithne 0.99764 .514819 19.8114 126.4230 43.6000 48200.5 285.4393 15.0 2004CJ39 12.952050 0.477604 3.5772 334.9720 133.6604 53040.5 5.4183 14.0 2004DW 39.473609 0.217911 20.5553 268.5371 73.3331 53200.5 157.5394 2.4 Since Sedna is fairly removed from most interplanetary disputes, it must be consulted as a fair judge over the petty gravitational matters closer to us. Astrologers either consult the centaurs, which are perturbed by various planets, or the aloof world of the transneptunians. But how can 2004 DW judge? Is Quaoar fair? Nessus is too disturbed to do any judgement, and Asbolus, albeit magus, has not as yet seen it all. The centaurs lack perspective as they're thrown here and there by influences and planetary gravitation. The centaurs are our close dark archangels, but they are unable to encompass and judge creation. Only Sedna is capable of impartial empathy towards the centaurs and transneptunian cubewano, plutino (and SDO) objects. Get rich with horary $edna in the second house and savour the deep sea taste of Sednastrology while Sedna is still in Cetus constellation! /Adm/ Admetos is a hypotetical and as such lacks perspective. Sedna is a real object in Cetus, while hypotheticals seldom claim latitude, declination or constellation. | This leaves Admetos = Sedna as an interesting (or mere?) speculation. The second house effect is, nevertheless, remarkable. Perhaps the two (?) work together? As promised, a little majikal initiation + SEDNA IN MAJIK + = Sedna in Majik = Featuring Dolphin Talismans by puck.dhs.org Not only the centaurs like Asbolus or 1992 TA ("Pylenor") have their majikal attributes. Sedna is aloof but filters majik as well by the very virtue of it's placement against us. Sedna is largely unconcerned with the inner turnmoil of the known solar system. Her gifts are thus disinteressed with no strings attached. This article precedes Sedna in the 12 astological houses much is the same fashion evocational majik is the well of astrological initiation. We don't suppose the house Franz Bardon has his own Sedna in, as we introduce it here for the sake of record. Sedna is overaspected in the magus incarnation horoscope but it is most remarkably the Saturn Mars midpoint as it seems responsable for the magician's captivity. Namely the nazi and a black lodge succeeded in torturing the magus. This is a complex subject and horoscope I must leave to more expert times. http://puck.dhs.org/sedna frabato Frabato's supposed troubles with the undines and watery element had a happy ending after dire danger. The depths are there to teach. It seems yet another type of masonry enjoys plumpy water sprites (more plumpy than sprites) here. Our obscure masonic hero Giacomo Casanova midpoints Sedna within his winning Mars Jupiter in 5th with womboid Cruithne brushing by. Sedna is long large and eternal erection and a peculiar disinterest in all the things one posessed. I love all, desire all, and after having it I don't crave for it any longer. I have left that girl by the river, while it's still in your mind. Castazeniac vibes, indeed. Casanova reminds us that Sedna is not Admetos is not Nemesis. http://puck.dhs.org /reports /reports1 Casanova features Venus Devil Rose, HPMHC descending, Pholus Pluto, Sun Amor (darkplanet), bedsides Cruithne Sedna Mars Jupiter cluster. Admetos and Nemesis (darkplanet) seem involved with the magician's Moon. Aleister Crowley's Sedna initiates him into love majik. This issues 93 Agape - Thelema = the famous formula of Love under Will. Bardon adds "strong will" for the occasion, but this can be misleading. Will is best conveyed by Carlos Castaneda, in my oppinion. Changing hostility into friendship has been Crowley's forte, but in cases like Mussolini, he also failed to obtain _too_much_ friendship and sanctuary. perhaps this is a Sedna lesson: don't ask too much, or (for my O5 Masters:) "What does God (the Eagle) owe to me that he must jump like a dog at my every whim?". Modesty. Perhaps Sedna helps the aloof and disposes of the wordly man. One can drink lemonade before and perhaps after the Holy Guardian Angel appears. It is of course not any of my business to spill lemonade. Sedna progresses very slowly in the magician's life. Year 1904. (See http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW). Sedna brings the magician to his purpO5e. PurpO5e is also the theme of Matrix-the-movie. Akasha is loaded with PurpO5e. Rituals are carried on in the physical, astral and mental domain. The secrets of the water element are hidden in Sedna's progress. The spirits of the water elements led by Sedna's progress in Cetus and the appropriate degree = head (spirit star or ascended master = friendly inorganic being = immortal) are at the service of the moral magus. The most beautiful undines are actually a threat for the magus as many married one to regret it when they were unable to remain faithful. Undines punish unfaithfulness with death, justified by the very marriage contract. Sedna is an undine for all practical purposes. In the seventh house it plays like a dolphin with the magician's heart fountaining with love. Sedna's dolphins entwined are quite the opposite to the triurne Lamia of 2004 DW. Aloof Sedna has much love, but 2004 DW is a dangerous siren. Luckily for the thick skinned magus, 2004 DW will bite only to die from the poisonous magician's blood. The innocent magus is not supposed to hide an undine. He should marry her. Human heart knows vary few faiths and faithfulness can become a problem. The undine won't tollerate breaching and will demand the death of the magus, who will degrade into an astral underwater servant in Sedna worlds unimaginable to the neophyte. Sedna is thus the punishing deity in service of the undine bride. various stories of sirens are in fact all true. Sedna dips into the waters of our local omniverse like a siren launching a deep cry into her waters. Science and vedic lore agree about the composition of the minor planets in that they are composed of ice (water) and alcol. Sedna currently initiates (via the appropriate degree spirit star head and ritual) into loveamulets. The amulets must be charged by a trained and moral magus. ( Meaning 30 to 50 years of secret and very hard training. ) = SEDNA in the 12 ASTROLOGICAL HOUSES = Featuring 2004 DW Plutino The recent large astronomical discoveries are being delineated in astrological terms. After Varuna, Ixion, 2002 AW197, 2002 TX300 and that legendary Quaoar, we have 2004 DW and Sedna. Enjoy this time of new classes of objects. The adventure started with 1992 QB1 a decan ago. 800 Kuiper Belt objects await delineation and as it seems we have out first Oort Cloud Object 2003 VB12 "Sedna". http://puck.dhs.org /sedna /2004 DW /quaoar /varuna /ixion /comet >> The article contains Sedna and 2004 DW delineations, as well > as their meanings in the 12 horizon based astrological houses Since both Sedna and 2004 DW contain a watery flavor, they are coupled in this analysis. Morever the Sedna communication comes in synch with 2004 DW discovery, even if it's own discovery is marked Nov 11th 2003. The Minor Planet Center still classifies Sedna as centaur object and we will probably see new classes of objects popping out soon as we already did lately. The zodiac loses 4 constellations, assuming Pluto is _not_ a planet. In that case Eridanus (NEAT comet http://puck.dhs.org/comet, river Po in Italy), Bootes (pastoral religions), Coma Berenices (Tiepolo's Veronica's Hair at San Alvise) and Leo Minor (EVANGELVS SECUNDVS) become EXTRA-zodiacal constellations, while they were of course zodiacal in times when Pluto was officially a planet. Sitchinian proposals taken into consideration, we have GAGA as Saturn's ex satellite. Our zodiac reduces thus to 24 constellations, 25 in extension, conveniently splitting Serpens in two. http://puck.dhs.org/extra/cetus Is your natal Moon in Cetus, too? Why Cetus? Because it is a _zodiacal_ constellation. Misconceptions have the zodiac a 12 constellation ring, when it is a 13 (Ophiucus!) constellation ring as concerns the Sun. The Sun journeys through 13 constellations. But the Moon, Pluto and the planets journey through 28 constellations! This is largely out of reach for the practical (?) 12zodiacal (often "tropical") astrologer. This astrologer is _not_ concerned with the way things are (or were), he deals with unexisting positions, impossible conjunctions, immersed in a virtual simplified equinoctial model of the constellations, good enough for some old egyptian primary school perhaps, but not good at all for serious research. No wonder astronomers keep laughing at tropical astrologers: they deserve it in many ways. So do the siderealists and the vedic. All of them refuse to take a simple glance at the sky. http://puck.dhs.org/28 http://puck.dhs.org/sedna in 12 houses Sedna is the protector of tritons, undines and evocational magick dealing with the watery element, especially while it still dives through Cetus. Watermonsters, krakens, lamias and sirens speak through dolphins and whales to the uninitiated. As concerns travel, it is obvious Sedna will bring the acolyte across to Avalon, as not just long journeys, but actually journeys out of this world pertain to Sedna. Sedna's orbit alone dictates long distance communication as Sedna features in horoscopes of meditators, shamans and people who reside for a long time from home. Sedna will determine space mission captains in the future. Sedna liberates the meditator! Sedna is not perturbed (much) by the planets, and is almost untouched by sunrays, the better for the meditator to escape the ego-fires of the heart-Sun. The Sun is malefic in vedic tought, as the Moon is truemind. The centripetal pull of the Sun and it's ego wishes symbolize (if not incorporate!) ego will (me, me!), but Sedna is (almost = savikalpa samadhi) liberated from the major gravitational basin, it is part of our system but fairly with an "independent" (?) orbit. It is thus symbolized by the meditator in savikalpa samadhi. :::||| heart = Sedna = http://puck.dhs.org /sedna in the 12 astrological houses Sedna in Cetus in the 12 Astrological Horizon based Houses © 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/sedna 1. Insight. Balance. The Temple promotes longevity. Ancestral spirits help averting heart disease. Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as 1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East. E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon. 2. Astrologers will look for Sedna in the second house even in popular solar return charts! This is the best year one can have, finantially speaking. There's a hint at real eastate, too. Talisman: the dollar, the Eye in the Triangle, Shiva. Windfall. The guru afloat on the sea. Sincerity. Good winds. Chopping wood for the winter. Cached wood carried to the stove. Storage. Resourceful? The maiden chops wood. Is Sedna Admetos? It could well be! It is not Phoebus of the Rathke Planets, but it perhaps qualifies as Admetos of the hamburgers. The last word is on Hamburg, of course. Get rich with horary $edna in the second house and savour the deep sea taste of Sednastrology while Sedna is still in Cetus constellation! = New Planet Sedna in Finantial Astrology = http://puck.dhs.org Sedna has already a fair finantial record. Why does it influence the finantial $econd house of the horo$cope with such impetu$? Hypoteticals such as the Avestans, Rathke Planets (see under "darkplanets" on the site), and the Hamburg planets precede the recent discoveries. Admetos is favorable to stock exchange, much as 2002 AW197 is favorable to real estate. Is Sedna Admetos? It could well be! It is not Phoebus of the Rathke Planets, but it perhaps qualifies as Admetos of the hamburgers. The last word is on Hamburg, of course. /Adm/ Admetos is a hypotetical and as such lacks perspective. Sedna is a real object in Cetus, while hypotheticals seldom propose a declination and constellation. This leaves Admetos = Sedna as an interesting (or mere?) speculation. The second house effect is, nevertheless, remarkable. Perhaps the two (?) work together? 3. Inorganic being, but not as yet or necessary already or ever a helper. Non-human, but perhaps rather evil. Black packt. Easter. Do not travel to California, o.k. for New York (horary brief). 4. Painful events in the family. The cusp of the 4th house is Nadir (not I.C.). This position is most important as it strikes Sedna's own family affairs. Her family then expands to all astral fauna. The shepardess of the astral dolphins is surely wounded hearted after the slaughter done to whales and dolphins. AVE MARIA STELLA MARIS. Sedna can be coupled with Santa Lucia in her inorganic aspect. This will be done in Venice as summer gift to students ,readers and O5 classes. 5. Good issue to steeling a wife. Stolen wife was not hidden (well)? Magus and Astrologer. Sexual pest. Burglary after enrichment? The unexpected Aiwass-like ward. FIAT LVX. The innocent magus is not supposed to hide an undine. He should marry her. Human heart knows vary few faiths and faithfulness can become a problem. The undine won't tollerate breaching and will demand the death of the magus, who will degrade into an astral underwater servant in Sedna worlds unimaginable to the neophyte. Sedna is thus the punishing deity in service of the undine bride. various stories of sirens are in fact all true. It seems yet another type of masonry enjoys plumpy water sprites (more plumpy than sprites) here. Our obscure masonic hero Giacomo Casanova midpoints Sedna within his winning Mars Jupiter in 5th with womboid Cruithne brushing by. Sedna is long large and eternal erection and a peculiar disinterest in all the things one posessed. I love all, desire all, and after having it I don't crave for it any longer. I have left that girl by the river, while it's still in your mind. Castazeniac vibes, indeed. Casanova reminds us that Sedna is not Admetos is not Nemesis. http://puck.dhs.org /reports /reports1 Casanova features Venus Devil Rose, HPMHC descending, Pholus Pluto, Sun Amor (darkplanet), bedsides Cruithne Sedna Mars Jupiter cluster. Admetos and Nemesis (darkplanet) seem involved with the magician's Moon. http://puck.dhs.org/venexia/casanova for birthplace and myth. 6. Yato yato yami tato nrsimhah. Saint Marc's inorganic guide is Nrsimhah deva of the vedic lore, the protector of astral travel ers such as Prahlada Maharaj). Inner fires burning ego remanants. Reguls as MIKAL. /a/ A fishing cat. Guru search out of the Temple. Out of the sea life crawls into the forest. Ancestral spirits lead to the wood-of-no-guru. Ancestral spirits spread the MariX before the initiate. The warp-and-woof of other life. Childbirth in the Temple. Capitalism. Sea ecology. Marine expeditions. Menkar can add up to fire hazard. Protect your stables. Take special care of your cats. Altars built to deal with fires. Vesta is especially interesting when dealing with 6th house fire service and hazard. This position can "blow fire". The fiery element can be greatly stressed with Regulus acting on the planets in connection with Sedna here. Note that we take the 6th house as being below the western horizon. That is never done in tropical/popular astrology. Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as 1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East. E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon. 7. Sincere relationship and entwined souls. Super marriage! Mountain sisters? Twin souls? Sedna's dolphins entwined are quite the opposite to the triurne Lamia of 2004 DW. Aloof Sedna has much love, but 2004 DW is a dangerous siren. Luckily for the thick skinned magus, 2004 DW will bite only to die from the poisonous magician's blood. The innocent magus is not supposed to hide an undine. He should marry her. Human heart knows vary few faiths and faithfulness can become a problem. The undine won't tollerate breaching and will demand the death of the magus, who will degrade into an astral underwater servant in Sedna worlds unimaginable to the neophyte. Sedna is thus the punishing deity in service of the undine bride. various stories of sirens are in fact all true. One should be careful checking for latitude and horizon. When all is measured and checked out properly, there is no mistake and Sedna is _really_ in the 7th house! /b/ <snip> service of the moral magus. The most beautiful undines are actually a threat for the magus as many married one to regret it when they were unable to remain faithful. Undines punish unfaithfulness with death, justified by the very marriage contract. Sedna is an undine for all practical purposes. In the seventh house it plays like a dolphin with the magician's heart fountaining with love. </snip> <!-- See majikal initiation below --> When is a planet in the 7th house? When above the horizon. Checking Sedna in teh 7th house is especially tricky. Try and get some hints learning from othe people's errors here: http://puck.dhs.org/28 /extra /nu /dane.rudhyar /alan.leo The article is "7th House Switch" http://puck.dhs.org/nu Sedna is otherwise in the 6th house. Your astological program does not know it. This is an old standard error of popular astrology for the masses. Many authors have their planets e.g. in the 12th when they're clearly in 1st, having the appropriate latitude and position under the eastern horizon. The ascendant is Due East, of course. 8. Time pyramind. Errection. Sinking. Sea bottom. The flood. The overflooding well. 9. Excellent for art and travel! Roundabout. Spring equinox. Compare with Pegasus constellation. As concerns travel, it is obvious Sedna will bring the acolyte across to Avalon, as not just long journeys, but actually journeys out of this world pertain to Sedna. Sedna's orbit alone dictates long distance communication as Sedna features in horoscopes of meditators, shamans and people who reside a long time from home. Sedna will determine space mission captains in the future. Travel expands to second attention or waking up in one's dreams. Still better, Sedna at in 9th liberates the meditator! Sedna is not perturbed (much) by the planets, and is almost untouched by sunrays, the better for the meditator to escape the ego-fires of the heart-Sun. The Sun is malefic in vedic tought, as the Moon is truemind. The centripetal pull of the Sun and it's ego wishes symbolize (if not incorporate!) ego will (me, me!), but Sedna is (almost = savikalpa samadhi) liberated from the major gravitational basin, it is part of our system but fairly with an "independent" (?) orbit. It is thus symbolized by the meditator in savikalpa samadhi. Since Sedna is fairly removed from most interplanetary disputes, it must be consulted as a fair judge over the petty gravitational matters closer to us. Astrologers either consult the centaurs, which are perturbed by various planets, or the aloof world of the transneptunians. But how can 2004 DW judge? Is Quaoar fair? Nessus is too disturbed to do any judgement, and Asbolus, albeit magus, has not as yet seen it all. The centaurs lack perspective as they're thrown here and there by influences and planetary gravitation. The centaurs are our close dark archangels, but they are unable to encompass and judge creation. Only Sedna is capable of impartial empathy towards the centaurs and transneptunian cubewano, plutino (and SDO) objects. Sedna in 11th 10th and 9th house and especially at the meridian is a fair judge judging nothing, an aloof observer, the witness. Om sakshi aham. I am the Witness separate of all. 10. Grail. ( Crater ? ). Flying? One year of good business? Friends forever? Spirit helpers. Aiming at immortality after meeting a spiritual ancestor and guide. Persist in poverty. Space mission captain. Menkar is not traditionally goood at all at the meridian and Sedna has been coupled with Alpha Ceti for a while. Speaking of coupling, Venus rises with Sedna at his time. 11. Wartime. Ra-Hoor-Khuit? The evil fixation of second attention. Visiting the feudal lord. Bribing the nagual? 12. Bad issue? Hidden victory? Quickly out of the Temple? The Temple of the Fast Redemption. O5. Chief druid. The Pope in Sicily. The kayak. Niagara Falls. Transilvania Waterfalls. The 1st, 6th and 12th houses are most certainly connected to marine ecology, the sea and a sort of initiation. See also Varuna delineation. The first house is like the song of the old sea, the 6th enmeshes sea's secrets and is dangerous. Fire at the sea bottom? The 12th house is like the release from the sea, shooting up and forth, killing the raven of time. Sedna strangely wards off large animals, albeit near by Menkar attracts them. No large or wild animal will harm, but hazard seems imminent and rather obvious. Risky circuswork pays off. Animals are often demons. adam gave the names to all of the demons. Be extra careful with 6th and 7th house planets, as well as 1st and 7th house placements as most astrological programs mistake the real positions, assuming the Sun rises in Due East. E.g. many of you have Neptune in 6th and not in 7th as the program shows. This is due to southern latutude and due western horizon. We don't suppose the house Franz Bardon has his own Sedna in, as we introduce it here for the sake of record. Sedna is overaspected in the magus incarnation horoscope but it is most remarkably the Saturn Mars midpoint as it seems responsable for the magician's captivity. Namely the nazi and a black lodge succeeded in torturing the magus. This is a complex subject and horoscope I must leave to more expert times. http://puck.dhs.org/sedna frabato Frabato's supposed troubles with the undines and watery element had a happy ending after dire danger. The depths are there to teach. © 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/sedna O5 Initiations, Astrological Services, I Ching Consultation SMS +385 91 108 108 4 ananta@spunge.org http://puck.dhs.org One should not be misled by non-astrologers who "think" Sedna is in Taurus. It will slip in Taurus from Cetus in a couple of years (up coming article, coupling Venus' approach to Hydra and 2004 DW). Sedna 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5 357.8815 1.7 2003VB12 531.657634 0.857434 11.9304 144.4929 311.8271 53200.5 357.8815 1.7 Sedna is of course delineated in Cetus. It happens that 2004 DW is in Hydra, Quaoar in Ophiucus and so on. All this constellations are not only ascendantal, they're also zodiacal. http://puck.dhs.org/28 Sedna is _not_ in Taurus yet. In a couple of years, 2004 DW becomes actual, with Venus approaching Hydra (Venus is heading towards Orion this summer; see "Venus in Orion" article http://puck.dhs.org/extra) while Sedna changes constelation. Sedna's constellation change seems remarkable, since it does not happen too often. Pluto most often than not skips Pisces and Aries, heading through Cetus towards Taurus; Sedna dives in much the same fashion, generally speaking. This will puzzle the tropical astrologer, but then the days of tropicana were counted at least ten years ago. "Jungian" 5-asteroid astrologers are lO5t in some newagish hell. We stand at a new frontier called Oort's cloud and those who are purpO5ely unaware of 1992 QB1 are hopelessly 10 years late. Meaning Interenet will swarm with "delineations" made by people who have decent ideas about Chiron and deal with Vesta and a couple of main-belt asteroids (major asteroid Eunomia excluded). People not familiar with centaurs, SDO, cubewano and plutino objects will puzzle at Sedna. Ready ideas won't help much. They should delineate 2004 DW, since it "has no name". Yahooing for deep mythological cut'n'paste delineations won't make an astrologer. Sedna can be delineated by people who delineated 1992 QB1. They will know it's nature and will apply a long tested _method_, testing the orbit, perihelion, applying mythology with taste where required. This kind of folk has no problem delineating an "unnamed" object. Varuna, Ixion and Quaoar were all un-named when delineated. Sedna is not named yet. It is still 2003 VB12. Abouts: 28 Constellation Zodiac http://puck.dhs.org/nu http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW Our Newsgroup: news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5 Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html Extrazodiacal Astrology http://puck.dhs.org/extra Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW ( Cetus bis ) Why Cetus? Because it is a _zodiacal_ constellation. Misconceptions have the zodiac a 12 constellation ring, when it is a 13 (Ophiucus!) constellation ring as concerns the Sun. The Sun journeys through 13 constellations. But the Moon, Pluto and the planets journey through 28 constellations! This is largely out of reach for the practical (?) 12zodiacal (often "tropical") astrologer. This astrologer is _not_ concerned with the way things are (or were), he deals with inexisting positions, impossible conjunctions, immersed in a virtual simplified equinoctial model of the constellations, good enough for some old egyptian primary school perhaps, but not good at all for serious research. No wonder astronomers keep laughing at tropical astrologers: they deserve it in many ways. So do the siderealists and the vedic. All of them refuse to take a simple glance at the sky. More Abouts: Enuma Elish, Tiamat, Nibiru http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html Valentine Centaur http://puck.dhs.org/centaurs /2004CJ39 Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar /quaoar.html Transneptunians http://puck.dhs.org/2003 /tno All Objects on http://groups.google.com Archives http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck Ixion & the Centaurs intro http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html = Sedna = http://puck.dhs.org Sedna is our first Oort cloud object. It is a cold distant world. Where is Sedna? It is coupled with Venus and Menkar at this time. This objects can be observed e.g. in the evening in Europe. The "planet" or Oort cloud object is in Cetus constellaton. © 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/sedna = Sedna delineation = This particullary happy delineation is completely free of any apocalyptic omen that was glooming our astrology in the case of 2004 DW and Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/28 /c/ Since the article was written before any NASA communication, the only way I can call 2003 VB12 is an Oort Cloud Object (OCO). Thus the object is not a "supercentaur" and the classes of objects have increased by one. We have the first real Oort Cloud Object. 2004 DW is a KBO, a plutino. Briefly checking with MPC on Mar 18th I see they still have 2003 VB12 under "centaurs". There's much hype and politic$ in all this Sedna mess. 2003 VB12 has been known to us since November 2003, whatever it's designation, object class or purpose. There was no need to hide it on purpO5e before some "official" presentation. I noticed the NASA JPL HORIZONS Sun Sparc slowed down since the D-day for Sedna:) We are familiar with the object as it's designation changed from 2003 VB16 to 2003 VB12. It was discovered last year and variousely scheduled as "centaur". The somewhat obscure designation was made still more obscure by quoting 2003 VB16 on the official discovery page (more or less a "hidden" one). While this article is the product of a "hack" before any NASA communication, it nevertheless confirms to several points in the nature of the object, known or unknown. The delineation is not mythology-based at this time. Sedna is in Cetus in most horoscopes. This means you can have Sedna rising along with your Cetus ascendant. Cetus rising in the East is a daily matter. The Moon is in Cetus once or twice a month and the maps show other objects of interest in this zodiacal constelation http://puck.dhs.org/extra/cetus Astronomers have determined Cetus is a zodiacal constellation around 1977. The true astronomical zodiac thus consists of 28 constellations http://puck.dhs.org/28 some of them ascendental meaning they can rise in due east at this time and age. When the Moon or Venus are in Cetus, they are delineated in that constellation. Pluto can be in Cetus but it cannot be in Aries or Pisces. The simscans show Pluto and the lanets in Cetus. http://puck.dhs.org/extra /cetus Cetus http://puck.dhs.org /extra /cetus is a zodiacal constellation since the planets, Pluto and the Moon, as well as a variety of minor planets swarm this large and legendary constellation. The Moon is in Cetus once or twice a month and will visit this part of the sky in the summer months, too, e.g. around Aug 4th 2004. The seventh house is the region above the western horizon. Horizons can play tricks in Inuit regions, where the Sun is said to rise in the West at times. /d/ We use astronomy to determine the horizon. Sedna above the western horizon warrants a sincere relationship. The object is full of dolphin energy. Several spiritual groups use to initiate their members into astral dolphin realms, as one can meet his dolphin guide. This guides are very faithful. The houses full of dolphin energy are the 7th and 2nd houses. The 2nd house is below the horizon (which is seldom true in so-called popular tropical calculus). http://puck.dhs.org/28 A particulary painful situation is marked with Sedna in Nadir position (due North). AVE MARIA STELLA MARIS. The bitter sea of discreation treats our ships like nutshells. Qlippoth are disposed of as the salt doll becomes One with the Ocean through pain and grief. Pierced is the Heart of our Queen. This is Sedna in grief. The position is not very good for lovers and marriage as one of the two might resort to black voodoo, possibly... (Note this is a provisory delineation only!). The 4th house is one of grief, suggesting repentance. Perhaps family affairs smeck of bitter Binah energy as Sedna sinks our hopes as if aided by her shaman raven husband. This is clearly a classical Saturn in Libra vibration. The stars are spirits, rather than mere gas. The transneptunian KBO (cubewano, plutino) are more than mere icy rocks. Inorganic beings initiate the magus, as they are often classified as stars. The errors of tropical astrology are many. See Alan Leo under http://puck.dhs.org/nu for an initiation into horizons proper. Notes: Students study 2004 DW in Crater. http://puck.dhs.org/28 /2004DW Fish-nets extend to Internet. Caught in the midst of the Net. Sacrificed. Short lived? Tranquil, blessed, good salary. Immune to any attack. Those are some of the + and - keys to be classified. 2003 VB12 "Sedna" ( this is an "early" note, the ephemeris should be fairly reliable by the time one reads this ) If we don't want to be _too_ precise, Crowley's Sedna is "tropically" at 2 Aries of longitude. We can "integrate" precisely, for Lord Krsna and Buddha, too; but at this stage we are happy with an "estimation". 1875-Jun-06 00:00 2.6384036 -7.6638753 1875-Sep-25 00:00 2.3307673 -7.7446282 Crowley The ephemeris were produced online by Jon Giorgini's HORIZONS integrator, NASA JPL, Pasadena, CA. /a/ http://puck.dhs.org/nu /5gram MIKAL as Regulus. /b/ Scores of modern astrologers and myriads of clients enjoy the wrong position here. Many have e.g. Neptune in 6th when it should be in the 7th house. Check Alan and Dane http://puck.dhs.org/nu for clues. It might well be your case. The same applies for the 12th and 1st house switch and (work in progress) seemingly even for the 5th/8th house switch in some odd cases (?). /c/ Varuna wasn't a happy delineation either. Ixion bore some joy, majik, perhaps even fair sex, achemy and variety. Varuna smecked evil gods and Quaoar pushed us into war. Darkplanet Lamia conjunct Pluto prepared the jihad stage. Now the jihad scenary is strangely quiet and no atomic bombs were set in metropolic undergrounds. This puts us off guard, which is always good for someone. /d/ Quoting Curly Mae from Alkavik. Ne pivo:( Looking for an OMEN is like looking for NEMO. NEMO is the Magister Templi, the One who has no other, one that has lost his self. Mind less and sharkproof, one expands in infinite oceans without shores. The object can be directed. Here an example of a transit. Sedna squaring natal Uranus in transit and the owner of the position gets involved in an airplane (Uranus) war. Let it be noted that the airplanes flew one meter above the surface of the sea, thus invisible to radars. The conflict ended almost without casualities. Abouts: Enuma Elish, Tiamat, Nibiru http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac Constellation Zodiac http://puck.dhs.org/nu Valentine Centaur http://puck.dhs.org/centaurs /2004CJ39 Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar /quaoar.html Transneptunians http://puck.dhs.org/2003 /tno All Objects on http://groups.google.com Archives http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck Ixion & the Centaurs intro http://puck.dhs.org/usenet.html Our Newsgroup: news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5 Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html Updates: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW Extrazodiacal Astrology http://puck.dhs.org/extra /* Sedna, astrology, delineation, horoscope, 2004 DW, Quaoar, puck.dhs.org, Oort Cloud, 2003 VB12, new planet?, Oort cloud object, Pluto+not+planet, astrological, 12 houses, ephemeris, NASA JPL, alt.astrology.moderated */ = 2004 DW Delienation = Since babies born at this time often have Hydra ascending, many of them are already "marked" with a 2004 DW ascendant! = 2004 DW = http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW Updates http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac It seems we have a new object in astrology. While Quaoar was delineated in Ophiucus, 2004 is in Hydra, both snaky zodiacal constellations. Many of you have Sun in Ophiucus but nobody in Hydra. Planets, minor planets, as well as the ascendant are nevertheless often in Hydra, an interesting long constellation as concerns size, depth and mythology. Hydra ascending with 2004 DW for newborn babies shown for various locations, 5 pm Glasgow, 17:11 Rio, 16:30 Charlotte, NC. Various appendixes incorporated in this text, as well as the newsgroup and our Archives explain the mysterious facets of 28zodiac astrology while introducing new ones. http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac © 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/ng.html 2004 DW in Canis Minor: Death, lost battle, ressurectiOM. Slain god cults. 2004 DW in Orion: 1957 was a peculiar year, indeed. Family values, new colors and sounds, leisure, fun, atomic bomb. Sicherheit zu Erste. Protection is the main pO5sessiOM. Orators can be sincere. 2004 DW in Hydra: Dangerous waters! (present position). One sleeps on sexualaurels. Lolita. Lady Scarlet is teen! Since babies born at this time often have Hydra ascending, many of them are already "marked" with a 2004 DW ascendant! 2004 DW in Sextans: The Messiah. 2007 Venus in Hydra? 2004 DW in Crater: The time of the false prophets. LegislatiOM. 2004 DW in Corvus: Oberon and Puck revived in druidic England and Syria. Dolphin cults. Inspection and spiritual protection. The Holy Raven. © 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW /ng.html Time to discover your own position and those of your future children and favorite tiranitoes. We will use genuine ancient ways (stargazing) whernever it's possible to capture 2004 DW 's message, more or less messianic. Updates on: http://puck.dhs.org/2004DW 666 is no longer alone 2004 DW in the 6th house is the Whore of the Apocalypse. Babalon's Progress 2004 DW off Tiamat's Back and into the Apocalypse Will your daughter be born with Venus in Hydra? Largest discovery after Pluto! http://puck.dhs.org /2004DW Astromajikal Delineation and Update, Mar 5th 2004. See = Adenda = for astrological novices, curious and the expert! © 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org /ng.html Note that we dismiss it's "position in Leo" as unsensical. Your local astronomer will, of course, agree. Your shaman will agree. Nature agrees. Star gazing confirms. So there's no need to pay attention to "2004 DW in Leo" gibberish. When and if it's in Leo sometimes, we'll let you know. It may as well be it never reaches Leo proper. Pluto never reaches Aries or Pisces, so that would be no surprise! Introduction for the general reader: True Zodiac = Albeit generally assumed (?) the zodiac has 13 constellations, it has in fact 28 constellations (or 29 http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac if we split Serpens Cauda from Serpens Caput). Hydra is not only zodiacal, but also ascendental, meaning many of you were born with Hydra ascending (since occult is at stake). One cannot e.g. have Aries ascending in due east. http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac The 28zodiac has an astronomical rationale. After my own modest research triumphing in indian summer 2003, I have found by sheer chance a research has been conducted in the late seventies as a couple of astronomers (NC U.S.A. and Belgium) with the results published in popular format. http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac The zodiac has 28 constellations, and if we exclude Pluto as planet (something already largely proposed), it has a convenient number of 24 (but astrlogers will use 25) constellations. This has nothing to do with outdated vedic calc and has everything to do with IAU. Giant Transneptunians = objects larger than the main belt asteroids (e.g. Eunomia or Vesta). They are usually fall into cubewano (Varuna) or plutino (Ixion) class. The SDO or Scattered Disk Objects are also taken into account. Since 1992 we have discovered 800 transneptunians. Centaurs = popular lively objects "closer" to us. Chariklo and Hylonome are female centaurs. Among the others Cyllarus, Thereus, Nessus, Pelion, Chiron, Elatus, Pholus, 2004 CJ39. Extrazodiacal = A convenient term that may drop out soon as it served it's purpose. It may even create some confusion when Pluto is degraded as plutino. Use "28 Constellations Zodiac" to upgrade from http://puck.dhs.org/28 Disposing of Pluto, we are left with a convenient (?) 24 constellations zodiac. In that cases constellations such as Bootes would be called "extrazodiacal", along with Pluto's (a.k.a. "out of bounds") "extreme" = extrazodiacal positions. Ascendant = Eastern constellation and inorganic being (especially head or ascended master-star). Aries cannot ascend in due east at this time and age, but it used to at the time when Crater was an ascendental constellation, too. http://puck.dhs.org/nu 4examples. http://puck.dhs.org/extra for "extrazodiacal" (! constellations. One note: The "13th" constellation is Ophiucus, a large strip of the zodiac. As the Sun spends an average of (roughly!) six days in Scorpius, it slips by Ixion into Ophiucus to meet Quaoar, Pluto, 2002 MS4 there, along with the Moon, Mercury, Venus and (all) other planets, as well. For Pluto and Jupiter in Ophiucus see = Adenda = at the bottom of this article. At the time you read this, Pluto may be moving into Scutum (the resent position of Juno!: see Juno-minded appendix). Have a planet in Ophiucus? Search http://groups.google.com for "Sun in Ophiucus" or "Venus in Ophiucus" delineations. That applies for Saturn or Venus in Orion and other 28zodiacal poO5itions, "Venus in Hydra" including. http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac (continued) Whatever difficult position you may have in your nativity, hard work benefits. Monastery discipline is needed to overcome this object's influence. Abramelin would particulary elaborate on it, but we have Elipinon! http://www.lava.net/~pagios Statements like "2004 DW in Leo" have no sense. By the way, Pluto is never in Aries or Pisces. http://puck.dhs.org/nu Hydra is a long thing, so 2004 DW's journey through Hydra roughly lasts 12 years. You can have Hydra ascending, of course, in your own natal chart (but you can't have e.g. Aries ascending). 2004 DW in Hydra roughly 1984 - 2006. Parenting in 2007? You are not alone, either. See also "Venus in Hydra". The site abounds with data pointing to possible special incarnations, especially in 2007! Parents should exercise extra timing and ritual! It seems like the devils blow their 13th trombone After giant Quaoar http://puck.dhs.org/enter.html we have 2004 DW. Lady Scarlet of the Apocalypse bathes in her poisonous pool as female monsters rise. Whoever saith antiChrist's a male????????????? The site includes the calculations and birthright of the antichrists. Will your daughter be born with Venus in Hydra? Lady antiChrist born yet? It may well be that cynical half jests and obscure astronomical hints nevertheless hide the truth. Masonry knows the starry Snake crowned with the Moon. Now when Venus approaches Hydra and the Moon brushes by... Venus is the maiden, Hydra (the Snake) and the Moon are part to the apocalyptical scenary. Prayers addressed to Holy Mary will be successful, as She counters the dramatic scenary with central return, peace and concentratiOM. Our blood is poison to the lips of the Beast! An object larger than Quaoar has been recently discovered. This article will require some familiarity with the True Zodiac made of 28 constellations. Those include Hydra, http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac (Tiamat, with it's demons-ministers-sattelites, riding on it's back) Sextans, Crater, Corvus. Since Chariklo is a centaur, and so is 2004 CJ39, some knowledge about the centaur objects seems welcome. For an early Quaoar delineation use: http://puck.dhs.org/quaoar/quaoar.html Important objects like 2002 AW197 must be studied, too. One can use http://groups.google.com or our own search engines to obtain early delineations of any centaur or transneptunian. The greatest discovery after Pluto, 2004 DW receives it's first delineation. As we had Quaoar in houses, so we have 2004 DW in Houses The largest discovery after Pluto may be the Devil Himself for some and Loving Guardian Angel for the rest. Such is it's dual nature. Man has two minds and it is 2004 DW that makes them clash asunder towards the apocalyptic End of Time. 2004 DW in Houses © 2003 Klaudio Zic http://puck.dhs.org /ng.html Among the predictable and average errors will be this object's assignation to "tropical Leo", an unexisting and absolutely foul preassumption of the poor mind. 2004 is not nearly in Leo, it is in Hydra. Worse: it is not heading towards any "astrological" constellation, as the illustrations clearly show and purporting text discusses in some (even mythological) detail. The other gross errors will spring from the aspects of 2004 DW. People assume the zodiac is some kind of ring. It is a belt made of 28 constellations (not 13). While 2004 DW may hold http://puck.dhs.org/28 28zodiac = True Astronomical Zodiac extrazodiacal positions (kind of tricky to check out), it nevertheless perfectly occupies _zodiacal_ constellations, such as Hydra, Sextans, Crater, Corvus, Orion, Aquila, to mention some. Venus is in Orion this summer so Orion is a zodiacal constellation. This truism will puzzle alanleist astrologers, more than his own inabillity to calc his chart. http://puck.dhs.org/nu /alan.leo /dane.rudhyar (corrections) Some will assume a distant Sun has this or that aspect, even conjunction with 2004 DW, while the objects will be constellations apart. This is largely an error with stars, such as Beta Persei or Scheat (or 2002 TX300 giant transneptunian) and a variety (actually majority!) of objects (including some planets!) with "out-of-bound" (bound?) positions, e.g. "extreme" (???) declinations. First he assumes the zodiac has 12 (???) "signs" (?????), then he assumes all planet(oid)s "glide" along the same (fairly circular) track. Then errors spring. People = Juno in Scutum =

Zelo je malo astrologov. costa rica 1 shvica 1, 2 (3?) venexia 1 (jaz) sibir (1?) odessa (?1) ni nas a ne? Alan Leo, Dane Rudhyar, Noel Tyl itn. sploh to niso. Zelo razvidno si ogledate napake katere so ti gospodje delali pri lasnem osebnem hororskopu: http://puck.dhs.org/28 http://puck.dhs.org/nu /alan.leo /dane... Torej ne bi se shlo za astrologe. Astrolog vsaj sebi mora tochno izrachunati O5novne planetchke. Alan ima hudo napako pri Saturnu! Dane ima 3 katastrofalne napake...

Sedna je _verjetno_ prvi Ooort oblak objekt. Pluton ni planet, pa je she vedno _uradno_ planet. 2003 VB12 je bil 2003 VB16 "supercentaur" smo ga obchasih klicali. Grupe objektov se reorganizirajo. Nove sorte objektov so denimo "high". Mi smo na tem forumu imekli brown dwarf ( > Nibiru ... ) cubewano ( Quaoar ) plutino ( 2004 DW ) centaur ( 2004 CJ39 ) To je odgovor na vprashanje mojih slovenskih O5 uchencev!

Sedna je v Cetus. Tudi Pluto gre v cetus, nikoli v aries ali pa Pisces. Gre se za ozvezdja, seveda, astronomija;) Nekaj programiramo. she kakshen lublanski horoskopchek naredim pa o5 delavnice in sem v costa rica kjer bomo kar naprej programirali. En kolega je v Shvici, torej dva programsheka bojo, upam. Zaenkrat se znajdem kakor zhe. Pa se:) Gre se za oficijelni astonomski zodijak, Dr. Lee Shaphiro, itd, North Carolina observatory. 1977 pa nekaj update. Tudi astronomi tega ne vejo;) Vechinoma sem kar sam naredil raziskavo! Potem sem chist sluchajno najdel da sta dva astronoma delala na tem 1977. Se pravi mogoche 5 astronoma na planeti ve za ta pravi zodijak! Danes imamo novi planet ali karkoli je Oortov Objekt preden nam ga bo NASA postregla. Hehehehe:)