Veganstvo

[Liam]

Vsak ima seveda pravico da vidi stvar po svoje

 

Bolj kot moraliziranje bi jaz temu rekla ozaveščanje. In več kot se bo o taki temi pisalo, več jih bo bralo, morda pa se od vsega tega še kdo malo zamisli in postane vegan

 

Res hvala za to pravico , kako moralno od tebe .

Sicer pa govoriš kontradiktorno , po eni strani ima vsak pravico da vidi stvari po svoje po drugi strani bi pisarila cele spise da bi po tem kdo postal vegan , najbrž si sama vegan . Ni mogoče ta pravica v korist samo tebi sami ah ja ...

[Metuljčica37]

Od kje pa imam jaz korist, če je na svetu več veganov?

Korist imajo živali, pa sami ljudje, ki postanejo bolj zdravi.

 

Nisem še veganka, ker uživam sir pa občasno med. Ostalih živalskih izdelkov pa že dolgo ne.

[Liam]

Od kje pa imam jaz korist, če je na svetu več veganov?

Korist imajo živali, pa sami ljudje, ki postanejo bolj zdravi.

 

Nisem še veganka, ker uživam sir pa občasno med. Ostalih živalskih izdelkov pa že dolgo ne.

To pravico da lahko vsak vidi stvari po svoje je v korist predvsem tebi .

Pravtako za druge ne veš kaj bi njim bilo v korist , niti za živali , lahko si pa misliš sodiš po sebi in na veliko moraliziraš . Kratkomalo to ponavadi izpade kot vsiljevanje svojega načina življenja drugim seveda na prijazen in moralen način . Imaš pa prav , stvari je potrebno ozavestit.

 

 

 

[mayita]

Ni vsa soja gensko spremenjena. In komot se živi brez nje, tako da nič bat.

Poleg tega se veliko večino soje (~80%) porabi za hrano živali in niso vegani tisti, ki vse to potem pojedo. Bomo vidli, koliko vas bo ostalo...

 

 

to kar si napisala ni res, v vsak duhovni cenetr ki so me povabili kjer koli na svetu so bili vegetarjanci povečina in niti v enem ni bilo dneva da ne bi bila soja na sporedu. kar se tiče hrane za živali se pa prej malo pozanimaj predno govoriš. drugače pa sojo najdemo že povsod tudi v kosmiče, corn fleks itd.....

 

Od kje pa imam jaz korist, če je na svetu več veganov?

Korist imajo živali, pa sami ljudje, ki postanejo bolj zdravi.

 

Nisem še veganka, ker uživam sir pa občasno med. Ostalih živalskih izdelkov pa že dolgo ne.

 

 

že to da si navedla da so vegani bolj zdravi je zavajujoče.....

[sin]

Zanimivo ... na wiki je tudi nekaj o carmine.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine

 

Kozmetika..hvalijo OrCo: OrCa, cruelty free

jst je še nisem izprobal.

 

Iz čebel res ni, je pa iz enih drugih žužkov, ki v telesu vsebujejo veliko rdečega barvila (ang. carmine).

Ta se uporablja za obarvanje hrane, pa tudi pogosto ga najdemo v naravnih ličilih na žalost (sploh šminke, glossi itd).

Tako da če si vegan in uporabljaš bio kozmetiko, je treba zelo brat sestavine, da se ne mažeš z žužki http://www.lunin.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/icon_smile_dead.gif

http://www.naturalnews.com/002043.html

[mayita]

Zanimivo ... na wiki je tudi nekaj o carmine.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine

 

 

kokr jaz ppoznam carmine kot pigment je zelo strupen.nikoli nisem slišala da je narejen iz žuželk

[sin]

Dan Zemlje

 

Izmed stvari ki jih človek lahko naredi za okolje, je ena od največjih ta, da preneha podpirati industrijo smrti in enega izmed največjih onesnaževalcev in povzročiteljev veliko okoljskih problemov - meat and dairy industry.

 

The FAO has calculated that livestock generates 18% of total greenhouse gas emissions (CO2 equivalent), which is more than transport.

A recent UK study showed consumers actually use food as though they have six times more land and sea available to them than they do. And far from being efficient, the UK Government calculates that consumers throw away about a quarter of all food produced.

Undoubtedly lack of water may bring the looming crisis to a head. Globally, of all drinkable freshwater, households use 10%, industry 20% and

agriculture 70%

. Today 92% of humanity has a relative sufficiency of drinkable water but by 2025 this will be

62%

. The notion of 'embedded water' is likely to be as important as greenhouse gas emissions.

 

To produce one kilo of grain-fed beef requires 15 cubic metres of water. One kilo of cereals needs 0.4-3 cubic metres.

There is talk of labelling foods for their water.

A 250ml glass of beer uses 75 litres of water; a glass of apple juice takes 190;

a 150g hamburger takes 2,400.

 

If everyone eats meat and dairy like the US or Europe, the world continues walking into a crisis. We need pressure on consumers to change.

The political question is not will they, but when will they

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and will it take crisis to engender the change?

Compassion in World Farming

is right to call for a reduction in meat and dairy production and consumption.

By combining your "Eat less" message with your message on providing high standards of farm animal welfare,

you are helping to promote some of the solutions to the current crisis.

Buying free range or organic will encourage higher welfare farming which poses fewer risks to animals, people and the planet.

Eating less meat

and dairy

reduces the environmental impact of animal farming and can improve human health.

http://www.ciwf.org....compassion.aspx

• Global warning: climate change and farm animal welfare
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- In addition, 64% of ammonia emissions originate in livestock production and contribute to air, soil and water pollution, acid rain and damage to the ozone layer. According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), “

The livestock sector has such deep and wide ranging impacts that it should rank as one of the leading focuses for environmental policy.”

- One third of the world’s total arable land is dedicated to animal feed-crop production;

over 90% of the world's soya beans and 60% of maize and barley are grown for livestock feed.

- Deforestation is a major cause of CO2 emissions and loss of biodiversity. Deforestation in South America is largely driven by livestock production; 70% of previously forested land has been converted to livestock pastures and much of the remainder is used to grow feed crops (soya or cereals).

Prehrana z mesom naj bi se do leta 2050 podvojila ali celo več. Pomeni da po potrebno proizvajati še več soje, ki pa je v veliki večini, praktično skoraj vsa gensko spremenjena. S tako sojo krmijo živali, ki jih potem uživajo ljudje.

[sin]

Zanimive povezave

[sin]

[sin]

[Bojante]

Potem pa osvetljuj svoje napake če se ti to zdi pomembno , ni pa potrebno na dolgo in široko moralizirat kaj vse se počne napačno . S tem daješ vtis kakor da misliš da je tvoj pogled na svet edini pravilen in potem si - običajen moralist .

 

Že, žeee, ampak ti pa daješ vtis, ko da je moraliziranje škodljivo za Čoveštvo !!!!!:eek::sori:http://www.lunin.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/icon1_exclaim.gifhttp://www.lunin.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/icon1_exclaim.gifhttp://www.lunin.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/icon1_exclaim.gif

 

 

 

[sin]

Uživanje mesa je eden glavnih povzročiteljev lakote v tem svetu. Večino svetovnega pridelka pojedo rejne živali.

So be Vegan!, or at least reduce your meat and dairy intake as much as you can.

 

Seveda pa je prav zares glavni vzrok drugje. V neznanju in nesposobnosti delitve ljudi. Torej uživanje mesa v razvitem svetu je zgolj posledica.

 

[Metuljčica37]

že to da si navedla da so vegani bolj zdravi je zavajujoče.....

 

OK, bom popravila: Vsi vegani, ki jih jaz poznam (ni jih malo) so veliko bolj zdravi, odkar so prenehali uživati hrano živalskega izvora.

Zaradi tega sem pač sklepala, da bi enako lahko veljalo tudi za druge.

 

@sin luštni stripi!

 

LP

[Alan_New]

Uživanje mesa je eden glavnih povzročiteljev lakote v tem svetu. Večino svetovnega pridelka pojedo rejne živali.

So be Vegan!, or at least reduce your meat and dairy intake as much as you can.

 

Seveda pa je prav zares glavni vzrok drugje. V neznanju in nesposobnosti delitve ljudi. Torej uživanje mesa v razvitem svetu je zgolj posledica.

Vzroki so seveda veliko bolj kompleksni in takšne nesmiselne obtožbe samo mečejo slabo luč na vegane-aktiviste.

 

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3983728_700b.jpg

[sin]

Še en k ne zna brat in ima slab dan

 

Vzroki so seveda veliko bolj kompleksni in takšne nesmiselne obtožbe samo mečejo slabo luč na vegane-aktiviste.

 

 

“EATING” and “Food Matters” documentaries

[Alan_New]

“EATING” and “Food Matters” documentaries

Aha, še en "dokumentarec", ki ima odgovore na vse.

 

It’s a life-changing film that openly shares nutritional secrets for:

 

* Reversing type-2 diabetes in a matter of days (get off insulin!)

 

* Reversing arterial blockage in mere weeks

 

* Halting the progression of cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer’s and many other chronic health conditions.

 

A na lotu mi bo tudi pomagal zadet?

 

Vsi vegani, ki jih jaz poznam (ni jih malo) so veliko bolj zdravi, odkar so prenehali uživati hrano živalskega izvora.

Bom še jaz povedal: vsi ljudje, ki jih poznam, so bodisi zdravi bodisi bolani ne glede na to, kaj jedo.

[sin]

Spet kr neki zaključuješ... kar sploh nihče ni povedal tukaj. Jst sm samo podal povezavo.

Sicer pa what's up man kaj te spet muči? Rabiš pogovor?

 

Z zadnjim stavkom se povsem strinjam s teboj. Seveda pa je defenicija zdravja precej različna. Dr. P. Flanagan recimo pravi, da je smrt pred 90 letom samomor. Mnogi drugi ljudje bi povedali, da je kvaliteta pomembnejša od kvantitete. Tko da ...

 

Aha, še en "dokumentarec", ki ima odgovore na vse.

 

 

Bom še jaz povedal: vsi ljudje, ki jih poznam, so bodisi zdravi bodisi bolani ne glede na to, kaj jedo.

[Bojante]

OK, bom popravila: Vsi vegani, ki jih jaz poznam (ni jih malo) so veliko bolj zdravi, odkar so prenehali uživati hrano živalskega izvora.

Zaradi tega sem pač sklepala, da bi enako lahko veljalo tudi za druge.

 

@sin luštni stripi!

 

LP

 

 

 

[Bojante]

Še en k ne zna brat in ima slab dan

 

 

 

 

“EATING” and “Food Matters” documentaries

 

 

 

[sin]

 

enako

 

OK, bom popravila: Vsi vegani, ki jih jaz poznam (ni jih malo) so veliko bolj zdravi, odkar so prenehali uživati hrano živalskega izvora.

Zaradi tega sem pač sklepala, da bi enako lahko veljalo tudi za druge.

 

@sin luštni stripi!

 

LP

[sin]

Beyond Heath – other reasons why you should change your eating habits:

 

 

** We grow far more food to feed the animals we eat then to feed ourselves

** Farm animals consume 80% of corn, 80% of grain, 95% of oats

** 87% of agricultural land is used to raise farm animals we eat

** That’s almost half the entire land mass in the U.S.

** 90% of deforestation is due to our appetite for beef.

** 260 Million acres destroyed to provide cattle for grazing land & another acre disappears every 8 seconds…

** Half the fresh water in the U.S. is used to grow crops to feed the animals we eat

** It takes 12,000 gallons of fresh water to produce 1 pound of fresh beef vs 60 gallons to produce 1 pound of potatoes

** Many water systems has gone dry or diverted to feed crops for farm animals

** The average American uses 106 gallons of water for domestic needs, but if you eat a Quarter pound hamburger, your daily consumption of water jumps to 3,106 gallons of water per day!

** By giving up meat/meat intake is reduced dramatically… 1 million gallons of water would be saved per year

** If you add into the beef the price of water subsidies alone, beef would cost $35. per lbs.

** Instead of tinkering with your shower heads & toilets, by reducing your intake of meat is the best way to conserve our fresh water supplies

** Our diet is not only using huge amount of water, but it is also depleting our water supply

** Ogallala aquifer – the largest source of water supply will be completely dry in less then 50 years… and once it dry’s up, our bread basket will turn into a dust bin. That’s the legacy our diet will leave to our children…

** Eating animals not only consumes half our water, also animal excrement pollutes half of our waters

** In Fact, farm animals produce 130 times more waste than people do, & yet not one feed lot in America is required to have a proper sewage system

** Animal feces found in our meats has gotten so bad that it’s the leading cause of kidney failure among American children

** Modern meat is so burden with animal waste, that you can actually clean it in your toilet = toilet cleaner than meat

** Package meats now has warning labels to keep meats away from other foods & cutting boards, utensils, due to the fecal contaminations

** The reason you have to cook your meat so long is so the animal excrement is cooked off the flesh making it safe for you to eat

** The Food Industry does not question how to get rid of it, instead they nuke our meats by means IRRADIATION methods approved by the FDA

** We are also setting a tread in depleting collapse of marine ecosystem within 40 years

** With modern methods to remove more fish out of the ocean than can reproduce

** The irony is that farm animals eat more fish than people do… more than half

** In Fact, the 1st step you can take to save the oceans is to stop eating farm animals/reduce dramatically

** Because our appetite for beef we are losing biodiversity… currently our government kills 1.5 million wild animals for corporate interest to protect the animals we eat (another government subsidy to protect a few large corporates)

 

“EATING” and “Food Matters” documentaries

 

[sin]

And the Truth is: :xx!:

 

Earthlings - Full length documentary (multi-subtitles)

(video vsebuje resnične nasilne prizore)

 

(znanost: 1:13:00 minuta)

[sin]

 

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"As long as they are slaughterhouses... there will be battlefields!" ~ Leo Tolstoy

[Alan_New]

Spet kr neki zaključuješ... kar sploh nihče ni povedal tukaj. Jst sm samo podal povezavo.

Sicer pa what's up man kaj te spet muči? Rabiš pogovor?

A boš vsakega spraševal, kaj ga muči, če ti kaj komentira?

 

Sicer pa ne skrbi — ko potrebujem pogovor, ga gotovo ne iščem na luninem forumu. Tu se ne najde niti osnovne forumske debate.

[sin]

Vsakega ne, Tebe pa, ker te tolk interesira moje pisanje

Ja no, kaj čem ti rečt, če ti ni po godu, imaš svobodno voljo it kam drugam. Nihče ti ne brani iti, kot nihče ne prisiljuje biti tu.

Meni je kdaj čist fajn da kej debatiramo. Samo načini so pač takšni kot so... veliko reagiranja, veliko ega, pač.