2005 Cetus

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Pozor!

 

astroMATRIX je astronomski podforum. Lahko rečemo da se vkvarjamo z

prediktivno astronomijo. Razvili smo metode tudi za zelo precizno

astrološko obdelavo fenomenov, pa tudi sekundarne progresije (exo

in extra IAU zodijakalne). Astronomski fenomeni? Saj se ne gre za

fenomene. Venera v Cetus-u je normalna zadeva. Zelene komete (zdi

se) postajajo tudi normalna zadeva. NIHIL NOVI SVNT SOLI. Solis.

 

Razvili?

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Vkvarjamo se z raziskavo. V tem smo 80% prvi. Na ta zadnje smo res

veliko naredili za astronomijo. Zodijak od 28 elementov je bil ne

znan tudi astronomom. Ascendenti (16 jih je) so interesantni za

astrologe. Projektirali smo kar 5 sort ascendentov, od katerih so

seveda najbolj bistveni ascendenti na iztoku. 88 je ascendentov, pa

v tej epohi imamo samo 16. V drugih epohah jih je bilo več. Faraoni

so imeli 22 ascendenta. Vse smo seveda objavili. Vasak lahko preveri

z enostavnim (astronomskim) programom. Tudi eni astrološki programi

sem pat ja imajo astronomske podprograme (planetarium, orbite?)...

 

Kaj lahko preberete na astroMATRIX forumu?

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Predvsem se gre za astronomske informacije. Ko pomembni novi objekt

dobi (takoj dobi) opis, efemeride (oskulativne elemente), parametre,

orbito, torej ko je določen astronomski, je tudi astrološki določen.

 

Astronomski sistem katerega predstavljamo ni enak kot večina astroloških

sistemov. Najbližje bi bil kitajskem sistemu. Sistem je preprO5t. Iztok

je iztok in je ascendent. To nikakor ne gre v glavo nobenemu že nekaj

let. Mislim svetovno, seveda. Držijo se zelo zanimivih teorij. Po temu

kaj vidim ozvezdje Capricornus je skoraj M.C. (11ta hiša), programi pa

imajo "znak Kozoroga" na ascendentu. Na iztoku pa izhajajo Ribe. Tega

moj tehnični um ni zmorel ... pa sem se odločil za astronomijo. Ja kaj?

 

http://users.tmok.com/~tarant8l /capisces primer kaže nebo in astro

program rezultate. zelo zanimivo. Sicer ozvezdje Capricornus noma nič

z "zankom Kozoroga". To je samo ena od neverjetnih zadev na tem področju.

 

Imamo vse objekte. Prav vse. Veliko jih je, tisoče in tisoče. Pa vsi

lahko pridejo v poštev. Največji niso nujno najbolj uplivni, pa jih

seveda imamo. Vse mape imajo Sedna, Quaoar, Ixion, Varuna, 2002 AW197.

 

Odkod objekti? Z Harvard postrežnika, tudi NASA JPL.

 

A se kdo še z tem vkvarja? Se. Ne pa na ta način.

 

Kaj je novega v svetu astronomije?

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http://users.tmok.com/~tarant8l /astromatrix /napisi

 

Vse je novo. Vsaki dan so novi asteroidi, ateni, amori, itn...

Od začetka sem več visel na (notranjem) postrežniku (UNIX, Sun Sparc)

NASA JPL HORIZONS. Na ta zadnje sem na Harvard MPC. Saj ni novih

kentavrjev tega leta. Zadnje leto smo imeli kar 4 kentavrja (update

sem postal na ketavrsko grupo). A so obdelani? Obdelal sem jih vse.

 

Kaj je starega? V 1992 se vse spremenilo ko smo v horoskopu imeli ta

prvi transneptun. Od tedaj jih je (skoraj) 1000. Kentavrjev ni še

100, torej mejhna grupa objektov. Vsi kentavrji so (več al manj)

obdelani (nove sem samo jaz obdelal). Najbolj so obdelani najstarejši

(kot Asbolus) in imenovani kentavrji (več kot 10 imenovenih).

kentavrji so navadna zadeva pri analizi horoskopa

 

Vemo da osebo posebej zanima kaj dela Venera v Cetus-u v horoskopu to

leto. Pravzaprav Venera ni bistvena, saj je daleč. Zanimajo nas bolj

očitne reči. Saj vsi živimo za sex, denar, večnO5t, zen in za danes.

 

Obdelati Venero v Cetus je bolj zahtevno kot se to misli. Obdelali

smo vse pozicije. Bilo je dela. namreč sploh niso obstajale razlage

za banalne pozicije kot Sonce v Ophiucus ali pa Saturn v Orion-u.

 

Kjer najdete razlage? Na USENET-u. Web pristop http://groups.google.com

Ali http://najdi.si ali seveda http://forum.lunin.net http://neodruid.tk

 

V svetu astrologije je vse novo vedno. Objekti so vse večji in se slika

solarnega sistema (in okolice) veliko spreminja. Planet dobi nekaj lun.

Zemlja torej ima več trojanskih lun, one so seveda v horoskopu obdelane.

 

Kaj je novega v astologiji?

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http://neodruid.tk je postavil standarde za leto 2600 (precesija v

Vodnaru). Astrologija in astronomija so se reintegrirali. Za to se

porabilo dva meseca in primitivna oprema (zelo primitivna, ne boste

tega več najdli v muzeju). Reforme ni bilo (kakor domevam) že 11000

(ali celo 25000, več?) let. Ljudjem daš O5nove v roke, efemeride,

sistem, pa vse zapacajo. Pred 6000 let je Neptun (EN.KI domain) bil

glavni frajer (saj je že, na drvesu življenja je krona, Kether, oče,

aba; o tem bojo učenci I Ching-a detaljno); Neptun je čarombno

(magnetno) kontroliral Sonce (logiko navaja Zacharia Sitchin) ...

(neobstoječa čakra kontrolira srčno čakro). Torej Neptun je number

1 (tudi pri židih, kaldejcij, torej kultur Ur-a v Mezopotamiji).

 

Navadili smo se neodvisno mislit in delat. Nekjer z Varuna-om smo

definitivno vodilni, bilo to nekomr všeč ali ne nimajo kaj rečt.

namreč ko se nekaj novega pojavi, edino jaz poskeniram (edini

delam z astronomijo, tega nisem vedal v začetku; začetni razlog

je bil tudi to da sem imel samo staro DOS mašino, torej pO5lednji

bojo prvi DRŽI !!!). pO5namem objekte, obdelam, postam z megabytimi

tudi 500 Mb po objektu (Quaoar je imel 700 Mb working material;

brez DOS-a ne bi šlo;) Objekti so obdelani v hišama ko se O5tali

domevajo kaj se to odkrilo. Torej bližje izviru in hitreje do

informacij. Sedna, Quaoar, Ixion in kentavrji, potem komete

(komete razen mene ne dela nobeden; je pa en "fant" ki bluzi

po črnih luknjah, tudi zanimiva zadeva; za luknje pa to porabimo

NASA SIMBAD na francO5kem; na francoskem je tudi IAU zadeva).

 

Astrologi?

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Nekateri astrologi (seveda se svi poznamo in ... sovražimo ... imamo

radi. Vsaj pred nekaj let je tako bilo ko smo se srečali. Iz ta prvega

je vedno ok. Potem so razlike. Potem prekidi. Namreč če se razvijaš

nisi v množici. To se tudi dogaja v O5kem krogu "kentavrskih" astrologov!

 

Večina astrologov pravzaprav nima idejo kaj je nebo. Od tega so problemi.

Drugi imajo idejo pa jo ne znajo vporabiti (tipično Alois Treindl, Linux

Red Hat 7, astr.ch, astrofizik se mi zdi, probrskajte). Alois vsaj nekaj

dela. Povabili smo ga in nekaj se maltrajo z (ful nebistvenim) oskulativnimi

elementimi neobstoječeg Lilit-a itn. Bistveno da smo avangarda in rep v

stiku. Rep so seveda popularni trash pseudoastrološki sajti, tipično

najbolj neprecizna zadeva (vejo za me, pa se ne upajo nekaj rečt) kot

astrodatabank (to je nekaj za počistit oziroma to ne bo šlo naprej.

 

lp Claudio

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[... Bistveno da smo avangarda in rep v stiku. ...

 

To cenim, da se stiki ohranjajo, da povezovanja prinašajo nove ideje, poslušanje drug drugega in širjenje pogleda na nebo in razvoj astrologije na vseh nivojih.

 

Kar je staro in že več milijonkrat preverjeno v astrologiji, tu ni dilem, toda novo rabi čas, da se sprejme, obrusi, začuti in vplete v "karto kroga".

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Xivujo stANKaaa

 

RA pravkar pREverja lastne mnemonike

 

Vse je bilo narobe, ni smisla ydaj se delati ASTRONOMA

 

ok

 

žindex.html se menja vsak dan, in je in bo velik materijala

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To jay.m.pasachoff@williams.edu president IAU Comission 46

 

Dear Sir!

 

I represent IAU Compatible Astrology. This astrology works with the

IAU 28 Constellations Zodiac (e.g. Venus in Hydra), eastern or due

precession corrected ascendants, as well as comets (like Wild) and

objects of interest like Sedna, Orcus, Earth trojans and the alike.

 

Aquarius Aries Auriga Bootes Cancer CanisMinor Capricorn.

Cetus Coma B. Corvus Crater Eridanus Gemnini Hydra

Leo Minor Leo Libra Ophiucus Orion Pegasus Pisces

Sagittarius Scorpius Scutum Serpens Sextans Taurus Virgo

 

During my research I have made large use of Jon Giorgini's HORIZONS

integrator, as well as other astronomical programs. The formula under

which I work is Astrology=Astronomy. I have found you looking for my

own sites; the search was "iau+astrology". As I intended to contact

you sooner or later, let this sooner not be too soon, considering my

lack of education, overcompensated by zeal. I have no good words for

astrologers, who immensely distort our true skies. As I depend on

NASA JPL and Harvard MPC for my updates, I thought astrologers will

accept me as reformator, but that happens too slow. Using a primitive

program like SKYGLOBE enabled me to proclaim the reformation. It took

two summer months to check for zodiacal positions. Astrologers seem

to lack perspective. They simply cannot imagine Venus in Cetus. I am

the first who wrote in an astrological way of such discoveries like

Varuna, Ixion, Quaoar and Sedna. I reported about Sedna 5 days before

NASA's comunique. The astrological community hardly accepts such

expressions like Orcus in Hydra or Sedna in Cetus. They use a false

or outdated zodiacal model, probably egyptian astronomical primary

school stuff. They have the psychological problem of accepting the

skies as they reallz are. I elaborated on this point in detail.

 

Astrology is a comparatively simple science enabling everybody to

calculate e.g. the year of someone's marriage within seconds. This

should be well known as "primary direction" technique, an easy to

demonstrate arithmetical tool, needing no ephemeris or computer.

 

I am a copious writer, mostly publishing on USENET. You can always

find me using "iau+astrology". I hear protests from both parties

while both parties should be aware the astronomer was always an

astrologer. This is clear in shumerian, mayan, egyptian, indian,

as well as chinese lore. Are the Navajo "Rabbit Paws" astrology

or astronomy? Do they have a demarcation line between the two?

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Klaudio Zic

 

Ivekoviceva 4

 

Rijeka

 

51000

 

Croatia

 

+385911528964 (cell)

 

reprogramatrixi@gawab.com

 

http://users.tmok.com/~tarant8l /2005 (sample scans)

 

P.S.

 

Nearest PHA observatory astro.hr (Korlevic comet).

 

 

Aquarius Aries Auriga Bootes Cancer CanisMinor Capricorn.

Cetus Coma B. Corvus Crater Eridanus Gemnini Hydra

Leo Minor Leo Libra Ophiucus Orion Pegasus Pisces

Sagittarius Scorpius Scutum Serpens Sextans Taurus Virgo

 

Appended is a recent article, preceded by our Mission Statement:

 

Astrology=Astronomy * Mission Statement

 

© 2005 Klaudio Zic, All Rights Reserved. http://neodruid.tk

Your scientifical astronomical horoscope Mail: iau28@yahoo.com

By SMS +385911528964 news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5

 

 

Our mission is to inspire dramatic change in what astrologers expect from astronomy, allowing the creative astrologer to create, capture and communicate his ideas as never before.

 

The introduction of creative tools such as the True Astronomical IAU 28 Zodiac and precision set of Precessed Ascendants for the current epoch is basic to freedom, as well as precision of expression in a modern astrologer. Our comittment is total when it comes to true planetary positions, as every planet, comet, minor planet and object is delineated in the constellation it happens to be in. The Sun is in Ophiucus, the Moon in Cetus, Pluto in Serpens Cauda, Orcus in Hydra, Ixion and Quaoar in Ophiucus, Sedna in Cetus, to name some current positions. Another currently quoted example is Aug 4th 2004 with Moon in Cetus, Mercury in Sextans, Venus in Orion and Juno in Scutum. The Astronomical Zodiac has 28 constellations according to the IAU standard. Your Venus can thus be in Scutum, Hydra, Corvus, Orion, Crater, Ophiucus, Cetus, Sextans, Pegasus as well as a variety of other constellations. When we say our commitment is astronomical precision we mean it.

 

The new astrological system is immensely more rich in expression and versatility. Besides being IAU compatible, it is also rich with ancient wisdom, as coded in the 28 zodiacal, as well as 60 extrazodiacal constellations. One of them is Ophiucus, meaning mother Eve, the lady of the snakes, or Ashera. The implications are vast, but one does not go unmentioned, since it is the U.S.A. that have Ophiucus ascending, just as one recent candidate has Sun in Ophiucus and is therefore an ophiucian. Many astrologers will recall the Sun enters Ophiucus after spending one week in Scorpius, but it is Vigo that clearly stands out as most important constellation, with the Sun spending 45 days in this most beneficient part of God's sky.

When Jupiter conjuncts Spica Virginis, it is in Virgo constellation. This point is very clear even to a child but somehow unclear to major astrological authorities and websites who developed the bad habit of displacing stars, planets, houses and information according to models of heavens that simply don't reflect the true state of affairs and they never did.

 

The tapestry of stars and true astronomical zodiac, as well as the present precession corrected ascendants set are the basic tool of an astrologer ready for major upgrade.

 

Precessed Ascendants for Current Epoch © Copyright 2005 Klaudio Zic

 

Virgo Serpens_Caput/Cauda Ophiucus Aquila Aquarius Pisces Cetus

Taurus Eridanus Orion Monoceros Canis_Minor Hydra Sextans Leo

 

As precession progresses, the constellations rising in due east change, thus at some epoch one can have Aries rising in due east. In another epoch one can have perhaps Lepus rising, or Draco setting. The southern and northern horizon, as well as the nadir and zenith of the horoscope, are studied accordingly.

 

Astronomical Zodiac

 

Aquarius Aries Auriga Bootes Cancer Canis_Minor

Capricornus Cetus Coma_Berenices Corvus Crater Eridanus Gemini Hydra Leo_Minor Leo Libra Ophiucus Orion Pegasus Pisces Sagittarius Scorpius Scutum Serpens Sextans Taurus Virgo

 

Articles and updates of the new astrological system, with this year's centaurs and transneptunians delineations are available through our newsgroup news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5

 

Alternative sources of articles http://www.escribe.com/theory/puck

USENET users can search the http://groups.google.com interface for

articles about the True Astronomical Zodiac (keyword neodruid.tk)

http://users.tmok.com/~tarant8l/astrology http://neodruid.tk

 

Besides http://neodruid.tk there's a site search on the site. http://users.tmok.com/~tarant8l /2005 /iau carries aditional info.

 

Astrology=Astronomy * Mission Statement

 

© 2005 Klaudio Zic, All Rights Reserved. http://neodruid.tk

Your scientifical astronomical horoscope Mail: iau28@yahoo.com

By SMS +385911528964 news://aurora.lightlink.com/alt.clearing.O5

 

 

 

 

About the Reintegration of Astrology into Astronomy

 

© Copyright 2005 Klaudio Zic, all rights reserved.

http://users.tmok.com/~tarant8l reprogramatrix@gawab.com

 

About the Zodiac

 

What went under the name of "astrology" in the past was far from the

skies as seen by naked eye and astronomy. This point must be clear.

 

There's no flat wheel in the sky with 12 busy slices and planets

circling like olives on a pizza with 12 perfect pizza cuts called

"signs". If such a model worked for remote exoteric schools (of

which we have no firsthand information), it can not be accepted

today. Much confusion was made along this line. Using the "12 signs

zodiac" misplaces stars, to start with. Later on it confuses most

elements of the so-called horoscope analysis, namely planets find

themselves in wrong "houses" (above/below the horizon is not well

defined, to say the least), the Sun is in another quadrant of the

sky and all sorts of superstition and misconception make entrance.

 

As I write this on Feb 12th 2005, the Moon is in Cetus constellation.

The astrological mind attributes different "influences" to different

positions of the planets, the Moon, Pluto, as well as comets, minor

planets, earth trojans and various classes of "objects of interest".

 

Moon in Cetus is not so interesting to astronomy (apart from a casual

lesson in extreme declination), but is very interesting in astrology.

Astrologers of course know nothing about Moon in Cetus and refuse to

albeit gigabytes have been published about the proper zodiac and the

"astrological influence" of this "rare" position. We must understand

that, albeit from the astronomical viewpoint, the year 2005's Mercury

Venus and Mars in Cetus zodiacal positions are taken for granted with

no special meaning attached, from the astrological viewpoint it could

mean the end of the world (or the whale). Leaving delineations and

fancy behind, an interesting study in psychology, sociology and even

demonology can be made by studying the effects of astronomy upon the

"astrologically trained" mind. A confused mind reacts by calling upon

collective error: "We can't all be wrong!", meaning the astrologer will

call upon his "tribe" and NASA may as well pack to astrological classes.

 

http://users.tmok.com/~tarant8l/capisces

 

The above is a link to the pictorial story of one case of astronomical

remedy upon astrological schizophrenia. The lady lived with the idea

she was "Capricorn ascendant", a category meaning some Capricornus stars

(or the (?)"astrological equivalent" and/or lack of) were rising at birth.

 

The astronomical ascendant was clearly Pisces, meaning Pisces were

rising in the east. There's quite a long way from Capricornus to

Pisces. This is the standard error of "astrology" as propagated by

major "experts and authorities", as well as handy web sites with their

online calculation modules, neatly spreading misconception all over the

planet, even in places where shamans still observe the horozon. The

psychological implications? A swindle on both sides? One feels one's

been cheated by the "new age money making machine", can not trust

anyone, the least NASA and the well-meaning astronomer (if there's

such a category next door, it must be rare). The shock at seeing her

real stars ascending was too much for the lady as she's been manipulated

all of her life (women in general are sound astrologers and ready for

the change). She's been manipulated as girl, woman, mother; sexually,

religiousely; emotionally and mentaly. If astrology and "new age"

was to be her shield against the patriarcho-totalitarian matrix,

she was wrong! She subdued to this point and lived to regret it.

 

The reason to oppose reintegration today is not really a matter of

"faith". The reason is money. Web sites collecting the grapes of

pizzacut astrology can not possibly allow for scientifical truth.

 

Astronomers should influence the astrological community but are in

themselves disinteressed and not always very well informed at all.

 

How many astronomers today know what the zodiac is? Are they all

aware of the four last year's centaurs? Do we all know how many

trojan moons our own planet has?

 

The IAU compatible zodiac has 28 zodiacal constellations. This will

come as a shock even to astronomers. Note that the experiment was

made during two summer months using primitive tools like outdated

DOS machine and a little DOS program (SKYGLOBE.EXE). Later on, one

may discover astronomers were researching the IAU zodiac even before

astronomical programs were available to help the research. But as

afore said, not many astronomers are aware of the IAU zodiac. At

this time we're not even sure IAU itself as a body is aware of it.

 

This note goes to institutions like NASA JPL, Harvard MPC, IAU org

in hope it'll help dispelling astronomical scorn towards astrology

since there is surely a spark of good will towards reintegration

on both sides, although we might well wait year 2600 for the event.

 

Klaudio Zic (a.k.a. Claudio Antonio Valentin Solis) http://neodruid.tk

 

 

Thousands of articles were written about IAU compatible astrology.

Find them using http://groups.google.com "iau+astrology" search.

 

reprogramatrix@gawab.com ananta@spunge.org

 

By SMS +385911528964 SMS +393343182775 Voice mail +38591701528964

 

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RA pravkar pREverja lastne mnemonike

 

Vse je bilo narobe, ni smisla ydaj se delati ASTRONOMA

 

žindex.html se menja vsak dan, in je in bo velik materijala

 

Lepo, da nastaja veliko materiala, saj vem,

da tvoje nemirne misli neprenehoma ustvarjajo

 

Najbolj me zanimajo konkretni primeri... saj bo še prišel ta pravi čas za vse...

upam

[astroMATRIX]

Chariklo je stari kentavr in je bil v veliko horoskopov. Primerov je neverjetno velik. Ko sem delal več horarne jih je b'lo kar 500 na dan. Imam data base pa še čakam da za 600 let kolege končno pridejo na moje (kolege niso "znani astrologi" temveč program developerji).