Naša velika sreča!

[xyz]

hm... in ti, si ti pod vplivom astrala ?

[mgd]

hm... in ti, si ti pod vplivom astrala ?

ja, do neke mere.

[xyz]

Se pravi, da je (po tvoji lastni definiciji) tvoja izkušnja večnosti s tem omejena...

kako se lahko potem z vso gotovostjo nanašaš na svojo lastno izkušnjo, prav tako pogojeno z astralom ?

[mgd]

Se pravi, da je (po tvoji lastni definiciji) tvoja izkušnja večnosti s tem omejena...

kako se lahko potem z vso gotovostjo nanašaš na svojo lastno izkušnjo, prav tako pogojeno z astralom ?

težko

[xyz]

Se pravi, da ti ne preostane drugega, kot da verjameš.

 

 

Z vso gotovostjo vedeti, ali je Krishna duhoven ali astralen, ne moreš...

 

 

Vso srečo želim,

XYZ

 

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[mgd]

Se pravi, da ti ne preostane drugega, kot da verjameš.

Z vso gotovostjo vedeti, ali je Krishna duhoven ali astralen, ne moreš...

Vso srečo želim,

XYZ

 

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se strinjam.

 

tudi jaz ti želim Vso srečo.

[tantra]

Pod vplivom astralnim smo vsi.

Ko bomo šli v dimenzijo smrti (po naravni, kaki drugi poti).

Bo vsak zase "videl, če sploh bo kaj videl" - se Zavedal.

Kaj se bo takrat z njim dogajalo...

Do takrat pa lahko samo urimo - neurimo phovo, ... - druge prakse in BLEBETAMO. -)

Tud Dalaj Lama ne ve NIČ. Je pa RADOVEDEN, kako bo.

Kot je rekel sam...

Budistični religiozni pogled na umiranje, smrt, posmrtno dogajanje (povzetek...):

http://lkm.fri.uni-lj.si/xaigor/slo/povzetki/tkziu.htm

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Vse so samo teorije (smrt, dogajanje obsmrtno, posmrtno, ... ).

NIHČE kateri je RESNIČNO UMRL, NI prišel nazaj poročat kaj se v stvari dogaja, ko si "preko".

Obsmrtne izkušnje, oživljeni klinično "mrtvi" NISO noben dokaz...

NE GRE za RESNIČNO MRTVE in njih poročanja...

Vsa nakladanja v zvezi s tem so "simulacije smrti (brainwaves, meditativne - razne, pričevanja oživljenih - vrnjenih nazaj v life ...),

verovanja, dogme religij, naukov, sekt, osebni pogledi - blodnje/neblodnje...".

Nategovanja, manipuliranja, strašenja neubogljivih vernikov/nevernikov. -)

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Drugač pa je smrt donosen posel za cerkev/religije oz. njih duhovnike, pogrebna podjetja, pogrebno industrijo in storitve...

Teti s koso NE uide NIHČE. Podkupit jo ni MOŽNO. Je lahko zgled za pokvarjene in pohlepne v religijah, politiki, upraqvnem aparatu, ... -)

[Condor]

Ta tema je že postala smešna, ker vsak govori po svoje, vsak ima svoj um in podobni temu so odgovori. Če nekdo je pripadnik te ali onega prepričanja, religije, filozofije, ... potem so si lahko odgovori lahko podobni. Toda tako, da še se blatimo in si očitamo "prodajanje" duhovnosti, Boga - lepo vas prosim.

 

Tantra - nisem hotel cenene reklame, toda ti si kar sam od sebe delal nam reklamo, in to kakšno. Saj verjameš v kaj, če že ni to Bog ali Praznina. V kaj verjameš? Ne, nisva še končala.

Ti sam si po nepotrebnem "zasmetil" to temo. V svojem drugem ali tretjem postu sem že napovedal, da ti ne spoštuješ mene, drugačemislečega in tudi druge, ki se ti postavijo v bran. Vehmentni cinizem!

Tudi Učitelj Jezus je imel probleme z duhovščino - farizeji, čeprav je prišel le dopolniti postavo in omogočiti, da vidijo oni ki še ne vidijo. Zdaj boš morda še rekel, da Jezus ni bil to in da je to le neka predstava. Saj se ti niti ne sanja o Bogu! Bomo po tvojem o Njem in ekspres metodi zvedeli po internetu, morda preko tebe. Fino! Potem pa kar išči. Toda moral se boš podati na to Pot kar peš in brez ego balasta. Pa boš videl koliko odrekanja in bolečih zavrnitev moraš prenesti. Ti bi pa to kar iz udobnega naslanjača za računalnikom in s kakšno knjigico v roki to rešil. Nimaš pojma o Poti! Moj Učitelj je rekel, da preveč inteligentni samo dvomijo, se vprašujejo Zakaj, Kako, itd., ampak tudi oni so dobrodošli, morda se bodo domislili kakšne bližnjice do Boga. Ampak edino kar se tu ceni je predanost in vera v Njega. Ne potrebujemo tvojega ali kateregakoli denarja! Veš, njega sem že osebno srečal, pa to z brco in ritjo ne bi šlo, njega ne moreš sovražiti, ker je Prijatelj vsem. Toda boš v svojem dvomljivem Umu rekel, da to ni res. Ampak ne poznaš Ga in ne boš dokler se sam ne prepričaš o tem. Ne morete govoriti o nekom tako, če ga niste spoznali. Če dva trdita isto kot ti ko sta ga spoznala, potem lahko imaš prav. Drugače si Ti tisti, ki bluzi in dela meglo o tem. Torej poišči ali pa se naj oglasi tisti, ki je že Njega videl in poslušal. Živečega Učitelja lahko spoznate, a o mrtvih pa lahko samo še filozofiramo.

 

Maš prav, da smo pod astralnim vplivom vsi, toda od astrala je še močnejši kavzalni. O tem pa se v knjigicah ne piše kaj dosti. Žal!

 

 

No ja, opiram se na znanje iz knjig, ker sama tematika to zahteva.

Ko si v trgovini, plačaš z denarjem, ne s svojim delom, če veš, kaj mislim.

 

P.S. Katero izmed Upanishad si pa imel v mislih ?

Ž. Valetič: Upanišade - to je najlažje dostopen vir - sicer dober izbor zgodb iz več Upanishad. Kaj izvirnega je pri nas težko najti.

 

veliko skladateljev je ustvarilo/ustvarja glasbo najprej v umu.

To pa zato, ker so svoj um tako strenirali, da je sposoben to glasbo natančno proizvesti.

Podobno kot v sanjah, ko slišiš glasbo...

 

tudi moja izkušnja je ta, da se da v umu prepevati...

Um sam ne more in ne bo ustvaril zvokov glasbe, lahko jo le intrepretira od zunaj preko zvokov narave, glasbil, predmetov, ... in temu doda ritem, glas. To ni izvorna glasba, ker je ona onkraj Uma. Za velike skladatelje sem bral, da je v njih glasba že odzvanjala v ušesnem portalu in odvisno od stanja zavesti se menjavala. Kaj to pomeni? To mi ti povej!

 

Šri Čejtanja Mahaprabhuja častim kot posebni sestop (avatar) Šri Krišne, ne kot Njegovo inkarnacijo.

Oh, ali je v tem kakšna posebna razlika? Potem bi moral imeti Šri Čejtanja imeti podobne ali iste Moči kot Šri Krišna. Če se ne motim je bil prisoten v 15. stoletju, kajne?

[tantra]

Condor NI bila reklama. Zgolj informacija.

Za kaj okvirno se v vaši sekti gre.

Bralec si naj ustvari mnenje sam. -)

[Condor]

Ali je potreben kakšen dodatni komentar?

Tantra - sem opazoval to podajanje odgovora - najprej si napisal prvo polovico, nato pa drugo polovico in še citat sysyphe v tretje. Krasno! Najprej si prijazen, nato pa "kretenski."

Nismo SEKTA! Halo! S tabo se morda še ženske ne morejo pogovarjati. Si morda popolnoma off.

 

Kakšna je definicija tantra? Ali bi morda kdo to zapisal? Meni ne tantrica ne bo verjel?

Ne zaslužiš si tega user imena, tantra.

Popravljeno 1. februar 2008 -> Condor

[tantra]

Condor, sekta ste - pretkano manipulativna.

Z zapovedmi, prepovedmi, mentorji - "kao ne kontrolorji"...:

 

"...Odpovedati se mora mesu, jajcem, alkoholu in tudi cigaretom.

Priporočljivo je ponavljanje simrana (nekako kot mantra) tudi drugače čez dan.

Dne 26. 10. 2004 bo v prostorih občine Bežigrad potekalo predavanje in nato še iniciacija..."

 

" Začetnik te duhovne poti mora torej: najti Učitelja, se udeležiti njegovih satsangov, se dobroma seznaniti s Potjo in zavestno vstopiti v stik z notranjim Zvokom (iniciacija in redna meditacija). Začetno obdobje za uvajanje v Sveto Pot je predpisana na tri mesece, zajema pa nekaj pogojev in dodeli se vsakemu mentorska pomoč. Dobite ustrezne infromacije (brošure satsangov) in kolikor se da redno obiskujete videosatsange v izbranih krajih za satsang."

[Kabalist]

"...Odpovedati se mora mesu, jajcem, alkoholu in tudi cigaretom.

Priporočljivo je ponavljanje simrana ( nekako kot mantra ) tudi drugače čez dan.

Dne 26. 10. 2004 bo v prostorih občine Bežigrad potekalo predavanje in nato še iniciacija..."

 

" Začetnik te duhovne poti mora torej: najti Učitelja, se udeležiti njegovih satsangov, se dobroma seznaniti s Potjo in zavestno vstopiti v stik z notranjim Zvokom (iniciacija in redna meditacija). Začetno obdobje za uvajanje v Sveto Pot je predpisana na tri mesece, zajema pa nekaj pogojev in dodeli se vsakemu mentorska pomoč. Dobite ustrezne infromacije (brošure satsangov) in kolikor se da redno obiskujete videosatsange v izbranih krajih za satsang."

To je zame zimzeleni primerek sekte, ki vse močneje stiska svoje podložnike. Tega je na svetu kot pečka.

[Condor]

Hvala za prijaznast tantrica!

S tabo ni vredno v prepir!

Zakaj nastopaš kot skrit član, a imaš preveč časa na dan!

Ničesar in nič ne veš, pa tudi ne boš.

 

Izraz SEKTA se je v tvojem Umu zasidral, to mi ti povej zakaj. Tale citat ne pove kaj dosti, kopaj globje in odkopaj tisto kar je bistveno. Iztrgano iz konteksta! Bil bi dober cenzor.

 

Torej rad kadiš, se omamljaš in ješ hamburgerje.

Ne kaditi - več prane iz zraka, nismo več nervorzni,

ne drogi - biti bolj zavesten v vsakršnem stanju, sem realističen,

ne mesu - cenimo zdravje in živali, vse živo imam rad.

 

Tudi tebe ima rad, tantra! Samo tvoj UM je bljak.

[tantra]

To je zame zimzeleni primerek sekte, ki vse močneje stiska svoje podložnike. Tega je na svetu kot pečka.

Lahko so priporočila glede hrane, ...

NIKAKOR pa NE zapovedi in prepovedi.

In vmešavanje v to, kako bo nekdo živel, kaj počel in kaj ne bo počel.

Pod budnim očesom mentorjev - kao svetovalcev; duhovnih bratov in sester...

 

 

Condor, NE blebetaj. -)

[butl]

Ti Condor

 

Pa kva ti je tolk važn, kva kdo napiše o teb in tvoji sekti?

Pa zakva ti je tolk pomembn jo propagirat kt nekej edin dobrga?

 

A si najdu svoj smisel v njej, svoj mir, svoje poslanstvo?

 

Si.

 

Torej, kva te pol brigajo drugi, sej oni zamujajo, ne ti.

 

A si mrbit v dvomu, pa iščeš potrditev?

 

[Condor]

Ne hodimo k drug drugemu, Učitelj je le priporočil vegetarijansko prehrano, absolutno pa ne bo sprejel kandidata, ki se omamlja, alkoholizira in je mesodžer, povrh pa še "zmešan" v umu.

Kdor ne proba živeti brez tega in meditrati po dani metodi, pač ni probal in bo pač na istem. Zame in druge inicirane pa je to rešitev. Kaj bo zate rešitev?

 

Povej, kaj pomeni tantra?

 

Kabalist!

Lepo od tebe za "iskustveni" komentar. Na marsikatero vprašanje od prej mi nisi odgovoril. Hvala za tvoje "znanje". Ti tvoj Učitelj ni omenil o Moči Besede. Žal, potem jo ne pozna in je morda noče, ker bi s tem moral priznati Jezusa kot resničnega Rabija. Koliko sem poskušal povedati s to Besedo, a ste vse to prezrli. Se vam kaj o tem sanja? Povejte ali pa molčite o tem še naprej.

[tantra]

Simran mantra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simran

 

"In Sant Mat the word simran is used for the spiritual practice

of repeating the mantra given by the satguru during initiation.

The mantra itself is also called simran. Simran repetition must

be done during meditation and possibly also outside it."

[Antoninus]

Sekta je religija brez političnega vpliva. Evo definicije.

[tantra]

Katie: Jaz ali sekta!

http://www.24ur.com/bin/article.php?article_id=2059931

[Kabalist]

Prepovedi in zapovedi v sektah so namenjene nadzoru. NADZOR pa je v dialektičnem nasprotju z duhovno rastjo. Hierarhija v sekti je namenjena onemogočanju razvoja, pranju možgan in podrejanju članov (izberi vrstni red navedenih treh značilnosti). Nevarne sekte se od nenevarnih ločijo samo po intenzivnosti in usodnosti tega nadzora, torej po tem, koliko intenzivna je robotizacija članov.

[Condor]

Tantra!

Saj si smešen, z wikipedio in tole z sikhovsko sekto.

Zadnji Učitelji že od 19. stoletja niso več tesno povezani s Sikhi. So ločeni od vplivov bilo katere religije, sekte. Ne delamo za kakršnikoli zunanji vpliv na politiko, gospodarstvo, šolstvo, kulturo, ...

To je duhovna pot, Hoja do samospoznanja duše. Sploh me niste razumeli. V vas je morje dvoma, morda me še boste vtaknili k Oshu. Za svojim računalnikom breskrbno križarite po internetu in ste že čisto zmedeni. Tako ne boste ločili zrnja od plevela. Nimate pojma o duhovni poti.

 

Kabalist!

Hvala za komentar! Kako je z mojimi vprašanji o Besedi? Čakam, pa se temu izogibaš!

Popravljeno 1. februar 2008 -> Condor

[tantra]

Očitno je tvoja duhovna pot polna notranjega miru, ljubezni in blaženosti.

Kako ti je lepo. Lepo, da jo skušaš podeliti z nami nevednimi.

Hvala -)

[Kabalist]

Condor, ne boj se glede Besede in še množice njih. Vsekakor pa besede niso za javno predvajanje. Tudi kladiva ne kaže vsakomur zaupati.

[tantra]

Sikovski pokojni mojster Surat Šabd joge

oziroma Sant Mata je bil Sant Thakar Singh;

"Sant Thakar Singh died on March 6th, 2005 in Nawan Nagar, India, at the age of 76; however, he had been ill for the entire previous year when he underwent open heart surgery in February of 2004. This was the first time a master of this lineage had undergone an open heart procedure."

Umrl leta 2005, 76 let star...

 

Sant = Sveti, Svetnik

 

"...Controversies;

 

Childhood Meditation

 

In the mid-1980s Sant Thakar Singh issued a number of circular letters on family life and child rearing. These circulars are unfortunately quite hard to find as they were never formally collected into a book. They were not popular, and 20 years have passed. However, the substance of the circulars is not in dispute.

 

The Master emphasized that:

 

1. The formative years from birth to the age of four or five are the most critical in a child's development. The child retains godlike qualities but these are eroded away quickly by the harsh materialism of our contemporary lifestyle and by the age of five or six, the damage has been done.

2. For best results, the child can be initiated at birth and connected to the Sound Current at that moment; in this way it will be connected to God and able to enjoy the blessings of that connection from the very start.

3. The mother should live sequestered while the child is very young (as much as feasible) and should keep the child away from worldly influences and people. Even the influence of the father may not be desirable. The mother may assist the child to meditate by gently plugging its right ear (where the Sound Current is available) or by covering the eyes of the child with a soft cloth so it can enjoy the inner light of God. When the child's eyes are open, as when nursing, she may keep the mantra (simran) and gaze lovingly into the child's eyes.

 

The controversy over these instructions is mainly due to the accusation of blind-folding babies. A former follower of the cult described the practise in a hearing held by a special commission of the German Bundestag (report originally in German language)[43]:

 

Thus, one woman told the hearing about her life with her two-year-old child in one of the group's centres. The two-year-old had to meditate for ten or twelve hours a day with his right ear sealed and his eyes blindfolded, while his father kept a tight grip on him. In those six months he had no toys, was sometimes bathed in cold water only, and allowed to eat only wearing a blindfold. After a few days of this forced meditation, the child abandoned all resistance. To the adults who were following the teaching of Sant Thakar Singh, this was a sign that the child now felt well, his negative mood was broken and his soul was pure.

 

The failure to attend to the child's needs, such as hunger and thirst, together with his experience of being completely ignored, produced in him a state of total apathy. With this behaviour, she said, he was considered in the centre to be a model child. The child's traumatic experiences and their aftermath had necessitated a prolonged period of therapy, which was still continuing, after the mother's withdrawal from the group.

 

A related program was the appearance in the 1980s of meditation children (as they were called). These were boys and girls of nine or ten years of age given into the custody of the Master by their parents to lead a totally spiritual life of meditation in a monastic or cloistered setting. They were taught to read and write and given other basic education, but mainly spent their time in intensive mediation. While this sounds unusual in the West, it is a commonly described practice in the ancient scriptures and the Master spoke of it in those terms, using Rama (of the Ramayana) as an example of the child of a king who was raised in a monastic situation. There were circular letters about this program in the West, but those are not available now or have been lost. These events happened in India, and little information exists about them in the West other than some brief video footage purporting abuse which came from a German documentary attempting to sensationalize the children. [44] These individuals are now mainly grown into adults and are called the "meditation generation" (the Master's term). Many have achieved high spiritual planes, based on informal tally. These individuals can be seen sitting in the front area near the stage (the place of honor) on the Bhandara footage of Sant Thakar Singh's succession.

 

Land purchase In Oregon

 

The second controversial action taken by the Master in the mid-1980s was to buy 330 acres (1.3 km²) of land in Southern Oregon, with the express purpose of setting up a school and communal living situation for full time meditators. In itself this was not controversial, but the Bhagwan Shee Rashneesh had created significant stir in Oregon by purchasing 64,000 acres (260 km²) of land in June, 1981. As the Oregon History Project describes:

 

The Rashneeshees, as they were known, gained control of the Antelope City Council in 1984 and changed the name of Antelope to Rashneesh. In August of 1984, the sect began bussing homeless people from other U.S. cities to Rashneeshpuram, and registering them as Wasco County voters. After a series of bizarre incidents including an alleged attempt to poison residents of The Dalles, the Bhagwan and some of his followers fled to North Carolina. There he was arrested on charges of immigration fraud, and was brought back to Oregon for trial. He was convicted, fined $400,000, and deported from the United States. The faithful accompanied the Bhagwan back to Pune, India, the homeless drifted away, the ranch was sold to new owners, and life eventually returned to normal in Antelope, which got its old name back in 1986.[45]

 

In the same time frame, and against a media backdrop of intense negative publicity about Indian Gurus, Sant Thakar Singh purchased a parcel of land situated against the backdrop of the Umpqua River and BLM forest land about 20 miles west of Sutherlin. This land exists today as a Sant Mat retreat center called Lighthouse Center Oregon. However, the Master's original intention of founding a school where children could be raised in a pure and wholesome environment, free of harmful influences, never came about. The surrounding community never acceded to the request to grant the necessary permits. So the land became a retreat and meditation center as well as an organic farm.

 

Work With The Mentally Ill

 

The third controversy from the 1980s involved accusations of sexual and physical abuse. These stories circulated and had a negative impact on quite a few people. Even the Master's first American Representative, Bernadine Chard, left the mission abruptly in 1985. The reason was unknown, but it was assumed to have something to do with the accusations.[46]

 

One particularly persistent critic, who has made something of a name for himself as an expert on Gurus, maintains a set of video recordings which purport to be interviews of abuse.[47]

 

Sant Thakar Singh did not shy away from helping people who were mentally ill.

 

It was not an unusual occurrence to see people, seemingly ordinary in appearance and demeanor, begin to manifest odd or unusual physical behaviours (jerking or gesticulating strangely, crying out uncontrollably like a beast, etc.) when in the presence of the Master. After he would leave, these symptoms would dissipate and the person would become "normal." These behaviours, referred to in the mission as "manifestations," (i.e., manifestations of entities or entity possession) created strange situations that might easily have been misunderstood both by observers or by the unfortunate sufferers themselves.

 

It is also true that some individuals, seemingly "normal", develop symptoms like those described above at the time of initiation or some months or years thereafter. The Master's actions to deal with it during initiation are discussed in the manual for Initiating Representatives.[48] The Master explains the occurrence of illness as a result of karmic payments which must be made here and now, in order that the soul should enjoy forever and be free.[49] Not everyone is happy with this situation, however, or wants to take the medicine required to be free.[50],[51],[52],[53] Individuals are asked specifically at the time of initiation, as part of the requirements, if they are currently suffering a mental illness or taking drugs related to mental illness (even relatively mild anti-depressants such as Valium or Xanax). Such individuals are not allowed to take initiation. They are asked to return when they are well and drug free.[54]..."

http://www.answers.com/topic/sant-thakar-singh

[xyz]

Vse so samo teorije (smrt, dogajanje obsmrtno, posmrtno, ... ).

NIHČE kateri je RESNIČNO UMRL, NI prišel nazaj poročat kaj se v stvari dogaja, ko si "preko".

Obsmrtne izkušnje, oživljeni klinično "mrtvi" NISO noben dokaz...

NE GRE za RESNIČNO MRTVE in njih poročanja...

 

Precej podobno vidim celotno tematiko tudi sam.

 

;

 

Um sam ne more in ne bo ustvaril zvokov glasbe, lahko jo le intrepretira od zunaj preko zvokov narave, glasbil, predmetov, ... in temu doda ritem, glas. To ni izvorna glasba, ker je ona onkraj Uma.

 

Vprašanje bi bilo seveda, kaj JE izvorna glasba...

glasba z radia ?

glasba ptic ?

glasba vetra ?

glasba pralnega stroja ?

glasba v umu ?

 

Za velike skladatelje sem bral, da je v njih glasba že odzvanjala v ušesnem portalu in odvisno od stanja zavesti se menjavala. Kaj to pomeni? To mi ti povej!

 

Tega ti žal ne morem povedati, ker mi je terminologija, s katero operiraš, precej tuja...

 

*

 

LP,

XYZ