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Če tako pravijo bitjeca lvl Buda + xxx potem je večja verjetnost, da je tako kot oni pravijo in ne glih tako kot pravijo taki človečki kot ti...in če je vse to podkrepljeno z izkušnjami...tralala...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Kaj ti koristi, če veš da ima nekdo ličarsko, drug medicinsko šolo, tretji frizersko...ti pa rabiš nekoga za nego bakice... Zakaj ljudje primerjajo različne nepremičnine po kraju, ceni, opremljenosti, itd... Če ti misliš, da je primerjanje razvojnih stopenj zaradi ega potem si glup ko točak (sorry da tako rečem)...kdor dela zaradi ega dobi popačene informacije...tralala...mislim da se moraš res malo pomeniti s tistimi na sebi...še prej pa ozavestiti zakaj so sploh tam... Da ponovim še enkrat...tvoji senzorji so "pokvarjeni"..."tvojim" pa lahko rečem samo "hello"...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png V Shareu so bili tudi nekateri podatki za žive...oziroma je Ben v "ožjem krogu" že prej povedal kar je kasneje prišlo v javnost- z rahlimi popravki...Drugače se pa jaz ne zanašam na shareovce...So pa zgodbice tistih v ozadju najbolj verodostojne kar sem jih zasledil na temu svetu... Saj vem, da si ljubosumen, ker sem ti malo stopil na živčke (nepredelane vzorce)....vse ostalo so pa tipične reakcije...nisi ne prvi in ne zadnji...vse to je bilo že videno...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png Ko bom doma bom probal najti kakšne slikce o "naših" mačkah...če ne ti pa pošljem mačka-duhca...pa da vidimo...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png In kaj ima manifestacija veze s planeti kjer materija taka kot jo mi poznamo, ne obstaja...v takem okolju ni kaj manifestirat...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Razvojna stopnja je povezana z zavestjo...da pa se zavest razširi pa je predpogoj tudi določena manifestacija oz. izražanje tistega kar ta stopnja zahteva...Iz tega sledi da je razvojna stopnja skupek vsega, ne more biti najprej to in potem manifestacija...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Pa sem mislil, da smo dali to že čez...Če ti ne ločiš med različnimi načini kako se pridobiva informacije potem lahko rečem samo tralala... Ali pa razloži kaj imajo intuitivni flashi veze z vpogledom v biopolje tako kot si ti to predstavljaš... Po domače povedano...človeček prebere tekst...se malo zamisli, skoncentrira, v mislih še do konca ne pomisli vprašanja in odgovor že prileti...Zdaj pa prosim po domače povej kakšno je to šarjenje po tujem biopolju...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/icon1_question.gif http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/icon1_question.gif http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/icon1_question.gif Skratka moj pogled na vse to- še enkrat so ti butnili na površje isti vzorci kot že ne vem kolikokrat, ne vem kdaj...In sledi naqgradno vprašanje, zakaj tega še nisi predelala...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Na kratko povedano...podoben si nekomu, ki se hvali kako zna računati matematiko, v bistvu pa sploh ne ve čemu služi funkcija + (plus) in - (minus)...kaj šele kakšne višje matematične funkcije... Matematika je v tem primeru metafora za znanje kaj razsvetljenje sploh je, pomeni...itd...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

A ne uporablja ta kalup vsak človeček na tej Zemljici...če drugega ne pri zdravniku, politiki...jaz-on, jaz- oni, mi-oni...itd...uporaba zaimkov ima svojo funkcijo pri sporazumevanju na tej naši Zemljici...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png A primerjalne lestvice po dohodnini, plačilni politiki, itd, te pa ne motijo...zakaj te torej moti ravno ta lestvica...le kaj moraš vse ozavestiti, predelati... Če hočeš debatirati z drugim potem ne citiraj mojih postov ali ne govori stvari, ki letijo na mene...pa se ne bom oglašal...citirani post je kot klic na katerega se pač moram oglasiti...tako mi nalaga dolžnost (dharma) o kateri je govoril sam Vsevišnji Gospod Krišna...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png Drugače sem pa jaz svoje bistvo v tej temi že povedal...skratka ne me "klicat" pa bo vse v redu...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Če bi ti poslal sliko ali bi ti vedela ali je moj ali ne...kaj če bi recimo šel danes kupit enega bengalskega z rodovnikom, zapravil veliko denarja in potem to kar bi ti rekla ne bi bilo glih res...in potem bi kasirala slabo karmo...torej je mogoče zate bolje, da ti nič ne pošiljam, da si ne nakoplješ še kakšnega dodatnega karmičnega bremena in "obiskovalca"...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

Malo ezoterike za tiste, ki glumite neke duhovnjake al pa še veliko nimate razčiščeno kar se pojma "razvojna stopnja" tiče...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png razvojna stopnja - Stopnja razvitosti posameznika, ki jo Mojstri ocenjujejo na podlagi stanja posameznikovih čaker. Opisujemo jo s posvečenjem, ki ga je posameznik dosegel, 1,5 pomeni, da je človek na polovici poti med prvim in drugim posvečenjem. Posvečenje pomeni, da smo dosegli določeno razvojno stopnjo - vendar te stopnje ne dosežemo zaradi posvečenja. Proces se odvija v samem življenju: to so izkušnje, preskusi in neuspehi v vsakodnevnem življenju in postopno obvladovanje samega sebe, to pa pripelje do obvladovanja materije in zavesti na vseh ravneh, kar označuje posvečenega mojstra.

V mrzlih krajih kjer prevladuje sneg skorajda ni videti mačkov...so huskiji bolj priljubljeni...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Po drugi strani pa ne obljubljaj nekaj kar ne moreš izpolniti...ker se lahko "opečeš" isto kot vedeževalci...razen če zavestno ne kličeš težav...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

Vprašanje je ali sem res radodaren ali pa ti določenih stvari ne razumeš oz. se ti še sanja ne...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Za rangirno paličico se pa pomeni z bitjeci tam okoli lvl Buda+2/ +3 ali pa še več...to je njihova zamisel... Me pa res zanima, če drugim tudi govoriš "njihova lestvica", če uporabijo mere kot so kg, watt, hz, km, itd... Če pogledamo iz svetle strani...nekateri forumi ala LNF so dobri za "prepucavanje" in ozaveščanje...pa še za marsikaj drugega...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Povedano krajše...če še jaz malo pogrejem zgodovino, ki se navezuje na sedanjost...T. forum je delal- ni delal...od vseh "pametnjakovičev" gor noben ni ugotovil kaj je bil večinski vzrok za to...in kaj ima to veze s tabo...ozadje je isto, delovanje in izražanje pa drugačno...torej se boš moral najprej losat nekaterih drugih...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Kar je bilo z rdečo...a ti resno misliš, da imaš take sposobnosti pa za to bi moral biti vsaj tam okoli Buda lvl...kar v bistvu res zaznavaš so tvoje lastne stvari, ki zaradi xxx pridejo na površje ali stvari od koga drugega, ki je na tebi...ne pa dejansko od oseb za katere misliš...Mogoče mi pa "oni" zamerijo, ker sem jih razkrinkal pa so malo prevzeli tvoje telo ali ti pa vsilili kakšno misel...tako da naj te trenutno ne skrbim jaz ali mgd, ampak "oni"...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Drugače pa čestitke...še malo pa boš skoraj na polovički Buda lvl...in prišel boš v razred okoli milijon najbolj duhovnih osebkov na tej naši Zemljici...Torej si že šel čez fazo kar krst simbolizira. Naslednja faza je "preobrazba", kar simbolizora Jezusova preobrazba na gori...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Vprašaj se koliko dejansko zaznavaš to osebo, koliko pa kaj drugega- recimo bitjeca, ki so pripopana na tebi+ vse kar gre lahko zraven...tako kot duša zna zamaskirati stvari, se znajo tudi določena bitjeca...in tako lahko človek namesto bitjeca zazna nek vzorec ali vibro od nekoga drugega, ki jo bitjece lepo kopira...full lepe lekcije in najbolj jeba...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Duhovne stopnje so bile podane za razbijanje slepil...v preteklosti so bili nekateri politiki, slikarji, umetniki, itd. na višji stopnji kot pa lljudje, ki jih je večina človeštva imela za ne vem kakšne guruje...Človek ki je duhovno visok, ni nujno da se sploh ukvarja s kakšno duhovnostjo, tako kot si ljudje to predstavljajo... Pri temu sem se pa moral malo ustaviti in razmisliti...Mogoče bi moral malo "popraviti" senzorje...kakorkoli obračam jaz dobivam bolj razmerje med tabo in mano 80: 20...skratka citat bolj velja za tebe...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Mislim da mi je jasno zakaj dobivaš popačene informacije o meni...zmeni se s tistimi "talepimi" na sebi...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Vprašanje je v kolikšni meri velja za mene...in če je to par procentov...potem se posplošeno lahko reče, da nebuloze ne veljajo...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Ne moreš mene primerjat kako naj bi človek na višji stopnji zgledal, se obnašal, če niti ne poznaš bolj globjih osnov...tako kot se delaš da poznaš obnašanja in lastnosti Gurujev, predvidevaš tudi kako naj bi se nekdo višje obnašal...resnica ali iluzija...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Informacije o duhovnih stopnjah so bile predane človeštvu pred mojim rojstvom...preverjanje teh je pa nekaj drugega...ampak če ima nekdo take sposobnosti kot se ti hvališ da jih imaš, to ne bi smel biti velik problem..Nikoli nisem trdil, da vem vse v nulo, torej so to spet tvoje namišljene nebuloze....http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Dejansko jaz sem nad drugimi, ampak to še ne pomeni da nad vsemi, ki sedaj živijo na Zemlji...in to lahko vsak preveri, če zna...če se pa ti bojiš videti in soočati z resnico pa tvoj problem...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Zakaj pogrevaš preteklost...ko si ti mene kao nazadnje bral sem bil vsaj 38 stopničk nižje...torej se zanašaš na sliko izpred nekaj let in ne na sedanjost...če bi bil malo bolj pazljiv, bi videl da ni glih isti stil pisanja kot pred leti in da je tudi vibra zelo drugačna. Včasih ko me nekdo kritizira, se jaz malo zamislim, koncentriram in če vidim da so kritike neupravičene, se lahko tudi upravičeno smejim. Na kratko povedano, jaz sem se lekcije katere mi očitaš več ali manj naučil...Raje preverjaj koliko imaš ti dejansko to za poštimat kot očitaš meni ali nekaterim drugim. In če bo razlika kot med slonom in miško, potem je mogoče malo čas, da se zamisliš. Dobra karma ni potrebna nobenega uravnovešenja, ker ponavadi jo človek itak ima premalo. Dobra karma se itak porabi pri uravnovešanju slabe...Pri ozaveščanju globokih stvari lahko dobra karma, ki si jo osebek nabiral leta in leta, lahko tudi pol lifea, hitro zgine...če jo ima pa preveč, se pa itak lahko izkoristi (unovči) pri Buda+ lvl...ampak o temu knjigice ne govorijo...kdo je pa rekel, da je evolucija končana pri Buda lvl...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Jaz sem o svojih izkušnjah že marsikaj nabluzio...in to ni težko ugotoviti, če se malo presrfa LNF...po drugi strani pa zakaj bi ljudem govoril o stvareh katerim niso kos, jih ne razumejo ali pa še niso za javnost...

Stik z višjimi silami oz. sferami- vsaj na nivoju duše in navzgor- "skurijo samo en majhen delček vzorcev...za vse ostalo je treba pa zavestno iti čez procese ozaveščanja... Kot drugo pa človek sploh ne more priti kaj dosti (za daljši čas) v stik z višjimi sferami, če ni prečiščen v določeni meri...in vsaka sfera ima svoje kriterije o prečiščenosti... Kdor je kdajkoli res delal kaj na sebi, bi mu morale te stvari slej ko prej postati jasne...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png Višje ko je človek, več svetlobe seva na okolje in ljudi...v praksi to pomeni, da jim lahko samo, če stoji ali sedi v bližini na nek način kuri vzorce pa naj bo to v kafiču, trgovini, obiskih...torej njihov dom ne more biti kaj preveč umazan...iz tega stališča je primerjava (za moje pojme) smešna in ne velja za ljudi, ki so dosegli vsaj xxx lvl. Lahko pa velja za povprečne ljudi za katere obstaja samo pojem kuča, posao, družina ali ljudi, ki so šele na začetku duhovne poti oz. duhovnjake, ki skoraj nič ne delajo na sebi...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Sorry da tako rečem, ampak tukaj si pa povedal toliko gluposti, da se ti lahko cel kozmos smeji...Po drugi strani pa samo dokazuje, da se ti o pravi duhovnosti sploh še ne sanja kaj dosti...in da moraš še sam pri sebi zelo veliko razrešiti...A ti resno misliš, da take nebuloze kot jih lahko govoriš večini ljudi in kar si omenil zgoraj, veljajo za vse...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Razvojna stopnja je odvisna od malo morje dejavnikov...po drugi strani pa samo dokazuješ, da sploh ne veš čemu znanje o razvojni stopnji služi...če človek intenzivno dela na sebi, lahko v par letih naredi toliko kot v enem lifeu...je pa vse povezano z ozaveščanjem in tisto 2/3 o kateri zgleda ne veš kaj dosti ali pa ne daješ poudarka...in to nima nobene veze s sferami, tako kot ti misliš, ampak s stvarmi, ki grejo poleg ozaveščanja...koliko se bo nek vzorec sprocesiral je odvisno ravno od teh stvari... http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Ti dam primerjavo med mano in tabo, da boš lažje razumel...če si ob rojstvu v tem lifeu bil na prvi stopnički, si jih do sedaj prehodil 12...če sem bil jaz ob rojstvu na prvi stopnički 1, sem jih do sedaj prehodil 48 in to približno 40 v zadnjih par letih...Povprečni duhovnjak jih pa v enem lifeu prehodi 8-10...razlog je ozaveščanje in tiste 2/3...to ni noben beg, to je soočanje, ozaveščanje+ 2/3, zlasti tistih stvari, ki so glih zaradi težavnosti zadnje na vrsti in nosijo tak naboj, kot približno 80% tistega kar človeka predela prej...Nisem pa v ta primer računal različne štartne pozicije v tem lifeu, ker v tem času en ali dva lifea razlike ne pomeni kaj dosti...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png A veš da lahko kronične bolečine povzročajo tudi vzorci, ki imajo močan naboj+ tisto kar gre zraven pa čeprav je človek po vseh medicinskih standardih zdrav... A se ljudje z 8. 7.. stopnjo izobrazbe tudi hvalijo in nosijo iste vzorce, če omenijo, da so na zelo odgovornem mestu zaradi izobrazbe in izkušenj kot pa nekdo s 3., 4. izobrazbo...ali so to samo realna dejstva...dvomim da bi dal ti na zelo odgovorno delo v jedrski elektrearni nekoga, ki ima dokončano samo OŠ... A ti resno misliš da se zatekam v ezoterične vode, bluzim gor nekje, itd...ja, lahko, ampak imam tudi temu primerno ozemljitev, ki je dosti večja od tebe...saj veš kakor gor tako dol...a ti resno misliš, da nisem "uravnovešen" ali da se mi o temu ne sanja...to je v ezoteriki predpogoj za vse kar je kaj bolj resnega...tudi za ozaveščanje, procesiranje vzorcev in še marsikaj več... Božanski potencial se lahko aktivira oz. izražava samo premosorazmerno z razvojno stopnjo...To kar se pri ljudeh na videz opazi, je samo en majhen del vsega, ki ni nujno da izraža tudi dejansko stanje...Ljudje na višjih stopnjah imajo "kamuflažo", ki jo naredi njihova lastna duša zaradi xxx vzrokov...To v prevodu pomeni, da je lahko nekdo tik pred Buda lvl, pa bo nekdo z ne vem kakšnim čekiranjem rekel, da je šele na polovički...Tukaj pride pa na vrsto "prečiščenost" in vse kar gre zraven. In zato pravih Gurujev ne more prepoznati vsak....to kar nekateri izražajo kot siddhije al pa imajo kak dogovor z nefizičnimi bitjecimi, ki jim dajejo moč, sta pa dve različni stvari...Tapravi sidhijio pridejo šele pri Buda lvl...to kar se pa po new age literaturi govori o temu je samo en mini tini delček tega... V praksi to pomeni, da je lahko marsikdo na videz prijeten, prijazen...v resnici je pa manipulativen, egoističen ali pa še kaj hujšega ala stvari povezane z black magic...Zato se preverjanje in razločevanje zelo poudarja v pravi duhovnosti... In glih zaradi tega s plavo so vse tvoje teorije, trditve, itd...smešne...če bi ti res letal po ne vem kakšnih visokih sferah, kot se hvališ, bi ti tvoja dušica, intuicija že zdavnaj kaj namignile v tej smeri...tudi če človek ne čekira zavestno, lahko "flashi" pridejo sami od sebe, dovolj je že misel na problem ali konncenracijo na pisano vsebino...Pa ni treba da je človek na Buda lvl, ampak se te stvari začnejo dogajati že na približno zadnji 1/3 poti pred Buda lvl...to je takrat ko se malo pojača (razširi) kanal med fizičnimi možgani in lastno dušo...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Priporočam risanko...full dobro, ko se veverica vozi z NLP...Kdo je pa rekel da se Krišna ni vozil z NLP al pa da betlehemska zvezda ni bil NLP...mogoče boste pa kaj ozavestili med gledanjem, samo ne se potem pritoževat, če vas bo bolela glava...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3416828/

Se ne obremenjujem... Kakor jaz pomnim nisem imel nikoli problemov z religioznimi fanatiki...al so se prilključili sveti vojni al smo jih pa kurili, sekal glave, ipd.... V socializmu nema pravo za glasanje...slediti se mora tisto pot kot pravi KP...v kapitalizmu je pa treba plačat, da se lahko gre po svoje pa še potem se dobi samo dovolilnico za določen čas...Vse vmesne poti so kaznive in se takoj kaznujejo...z zaporom ali linčanjem, vse je odvisno od globine denarnice, vez in poznanstev...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Kaj bi si pa reptilček, ki skoraj pol življenja preživi v vodi, mislil o temu kar mu potapljač govori...mogoče to da vidi samo mulj ne vidi pa potopljene ladje z zlatom kakšnih pet metrov bolj spodaj...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Glih zato ker nič ne vem in se motim te šišam za xxx lifeov glede na vse tvoje trenutno znanje in duhovno prakso...in ne boš verjel, glede na vso tvojo učenost, nisem edini...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png In ker se malo zgledujem po iluminatih, mi trenutno ne paše glih posvetna slava, ampak delovanje iz ozadja...kar pa je ne boš verjel tudi lastnost Gurudžijev...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

There are therefore two kinds of baptism: 1. That of John the Baptist, which is the baptism by water. 2. The baptism of Jesus Christ, which is that of the Holy Ghost and of fire. In these two symbols much of the story of human development is summed up, and the joint work of John the Baptist and of Jesus produced a synthesis which is indicative of the immediate objective of our racial endeavour. The symbolism is exact according to the ancient mystery teaching. A close study of this symbolic rendering of a basic truth would greatly profit the seeker in all countries, and an understanding of the significance of the symbols employed would throw much light upon reality. In the evolution of the race the sentient feeling nature is first developed, and water has ever been the symbol of that nature. The fluid nature of the emotions, the constant shifting between sentient pleasure and pain, the storms which arise in the world of feeling, and the peace and calm which can descend upon a man, make of water a most apposite symbol of this interior subtle world of the lower nature in which most of us live, and wherein our consciousness is predominantly focussed. The average man or woman is predominantly a blend of the physical and emotional natures; all early races have this characteristic and the probability is that, in old Atlantis, civilisation was entirely centred in the feelings and the desires, in the emotions, and—among its most advanced types—in the heart life. John the Baptist therefore gave the baptism of water which testified to the purification of the emotional nature, which must always be a preliminary step to the purification by fire. The Jordan baptism is symbolic of the purification of the conscience in man, just as Christ and His baptism symbolised for us the divine in man and the purification which follows the activity of that divine spirit in the lower nature. Conscience, with its call to the recognition of the higher values, of the deeper truths and of the birth unto life, leads to Jordan, and so Christ went there to "fulfil all righteousness." This experience ever precedes the baptism into Christ and through Christ. The baptism of John was a step upon the way into the centre, and of more general application than is the baptism of Jesus, for few are ready yet for the second initiation. It is preparatory to that final baptism, for the purification of the emotional nature must precede in time the purification of the mental nature, just as in the evolution of the race (and of a child, likewise) the feeling, sentient man is first developed, and then the mind comes into active life. The baptism which Christ gives His followers concerns the purification of the mind by fire. Fire, under the universal symbolism of religion, is ever symbolic of the mind nature. This baptism by fire is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Thus Jesus went up from Nazareth and Galilee to take the next step which was indicated in His experience. As the result of life experience and inner consecration, He was ready for the next initiation. This was taken in the river Jordan. Jordan means "that which descends," but also, according to some commentators, that which "divides," as a river divides and separates the land. In the symbolism of esotericism the word "river" frequently means discrimination. We have seen that water symbolises the emotional nature, and that the purification in Jordan, through baptism, typifies the complete cleansing of all feeling, of all wishes and of that desire life which is the determining factor with most people. The first initiation symbolises the dedication of the physical body and the physical plane life to the soul. The second initiation stands for the demonstrated control and consecration to divinity of the desire nature, with its emotional reactions and its potent "wish life." A new factor now enters in, the discriminating faculty of the mind. By means of it, the disciple can bring the mental life under control and dedicate it to the life of the kingdom of God, which is consummated at the third initiation. Through the correct use of the mind, the disciple is led to make right choice, and to balance (with wisdom) the endless pairs of opposites. We pass through the Birth initiation somewhat unconsciously. The full significance of what we have undergone does not appear to us; we are "infants in Christ," and as infants we just live and submit to discipline, gradually growing toward maturity. But there comes a time in the life of every initiate when choice must be made, and Christ was faced with this. A clear, clean interior break is to be made with the past before we can face towards a future of service, consciously undertaken, and know that from that time on nothing will be the same. This initiation marked a tremendous change in the life of Jesus of Nazareth. Up to that time, for thirty years, He had simply been the carpenter of the little town, and the son of His parents. He was a personality doing much good in a small sphere. But after the purification in Jordan, having "fulfilled all righteousness," He became the Christ, and went about His country, serving the race and speaking those words which have moulded for centuries our Western civilisation. For each of us there must come the same great expansion, and it occurs when we are fitted to take the second initiation. Our desire-life is then confronted with essential choices which only the mind can enable us properly to handle. We are told in Cruden's Concordance that the name John means "which God gave," and in the three names which appear together in this episode—John, Jesus and Christ—the whole story of the consecrated aspirant is summed up: John, symbolising the divine aspect deeply hidden in man, which prompts a man towards the needed purity; Jesus, in this case symbolising the consecrated, pledged disciple or initiate, ready for that process which will be the seal of his purification; Christ, the divine indwelling Son of God, able now to manifest in Jesus, because Jesus has submitted to the baptism of John. That submission and completed purification brought its reward. It was at this initiation that God Himself proclaimed His Son to be the One in Whom He was "well pleased." Every initiation is simply a recognition. It is a false idea, current in many schools of the mysteries and of esotericism, that initiation connotes a mysterious ceremony wherein, through the medium of the initiator and the rod of initiation, conditions are definitely changed in the aspirant, so that forever after he is altered and different. An initiation takes place whenever a man becomes, through his own self-effort, an initiate. Then having taken "the kingdom of Heaven by violence," and having "worked out" his "own salvation through fear and trembling," his spiritual status is immediately recognised by his peers, and he is admitted to initiation. At initiation two things happen: the initiate discovers his fellow initiates, those with whom he can associate, and he finds out also the mission to which he is called. He becomes aware of his divinity in a new and factual sense, not just as a deeply spiritual hope, an intriguing hypothetical possibility and his heart's desire. He knows himself to be a son of God, therefore recognition is accorded to him. This was strikingly the case with Jesus Christ. His task emerged in its dread implications before His eyes, and this must surely have been the reason why He was driven into the wilderness. The urge to solitude, the search for that quiet where reflection and determination can strengthen each other, was the natural outcome of this recognition. He saw what He had to do—to serve, to suffer and to found the kingdom of God. The expansion of consciousness was immediate and deep. Dr. Schweitzer says in this connection: "About Jesus' earlier development we know nothing. All lies in the dark. Only this is sure: at his baptism the secret of his existence was disclosed to him—namely, that he was the One whom God had destined to be the Messiah. With this revelation he was complete, and underwent no further development. For now he is assured that, until the near coming of the messianic age which was to reveal his glorious dignity, he was to labour for the Kingdom as the unrecognised and hidden Messiah, and must prove and purify himself together with his friends in the final Affliction." To the man Jesus this was probably a staggering disclosure. Dim anticipations of the path which He might have to tread must at times have entered His mind, but the full implications, and the picture of the way which lay ahead of Him could not have dawned upon His consciousness in their fullness until after the second initiation was undergone, when His purification was complete. He then faced the life of service and the difficulties which attend the path of every conscious son of God. The same writer says: "In Jesus' messianic consciousness the thought of suffering acquired now, as applied to himself, a mysterious significance. The Messiahship which he became aware of at his baptism was not a possession, nor a mere object of expectation; but in the eschatological conception, it was implied as a matter of course that through the trial of suffering he must become what God had destined him to be. His messianic consciousness was never without the thought of the Passion. Suffering is the way to the revelation of Messiahship!" Christ's entire life was one long via dolorosa, but it was illumined always by the light of His soul and by the recognition of the Father. Though, as recorded in the New Testament, it was divided into definite periods and cycles, and though obviously the detail of what He had to do was only progressively revealed to Him, His life constituted one great sacrifice, one great experience and one definite purpose. This definiteness of objective, and this consecration of the whole man to an ideal are conditions indicative of the state of initiation. All life's happenings are related to the carrying forward of the life task. Life takes on true significance. This is a lesson which all of us, uninitiate and aspiring, can now learn. We can begin to say, "Life to me, as I look back on it, is not a succession of experiences but one great experience illumined here and there by moments of revelation." This illumination grows more constant as time goes on. The ancient Hindu teacher, Patanjali, taught that illumination is sevenfold, progressing by successive stages. It is as though he were dealing in thought with the seven illuminations which come to all the sons of God who are in process of awakening to their divine opportunities: the illumination which comes when we decide to tread the Path of probation, and to prepare ourselves for initiation. Then the light is shed on the distant vision, and we catch a fleeting glimpse of our goal. Next the light is shed upon ourselves, and we get a vision of what we are, and what we can be, and enter upon the Path of discipleship, or—in the terminology of the Bible—we begin the long journey to Bethlehem. Then there are the five initiations which we are studying, each of which marks an increase of light which shines upon our way and develops that inner radiance which enables all God's children to say, with Christ: "I am the Light of the World," and to obey His command wherein He tells us to "let your light so shine before men that they may see." This light, in its seven stages, reveals God—God in nature, God in Christ, God in man. It is the cause of the mystical vision about which so much has been written and taught and to which the lives of God's saints in both hemispheres have ever testified. One wonders about the first man who received the first faint glimpse (with his dim inner light) of the infinite possibility lying ahead. He caught a glimpse of God, and from that minute the light from God waxed more and more intense. There is an ancient legend (and who shall say that it is not based on fact?) that Jesus of Nazareth was the very first of our humanity, in a dim and far distant past, to catch this glimpse, and that He was, through the consistency of His constantly directed effort, the first of our humanity to emerge into the very Light of God Himself. St Paul perhaps touched this truth when he spoke of Christ as the "Eldest in a vast family of brothers." Whether this legend is true or not, Christ entered into light because He was light; and the history of man has been a gradually growing illumination, until today radiance is everywhere to be found. In this light, inherent and divine, latent and yet emanating from God, Christ saw the vision, and that vision demonstrated to Him His Sonship, His Messiahship and the path of His suffering. This vision is the heritage and the revelation of each individual disciple. This mystical revelation can be perceived, and once perceived, remains a fact—inexplicable often, but a definitely clear and inescapable reality. It gives the initiate the confidence and the power to go forward. It is affective in our experience and is the root of all our future consistency and service; it is also unassailable. Upon this basis we move with courage from the known towards the unknown. It is finally ineffable, for it emphasises our divinity, is founded upon divine quality, and emanates from God. It is a glimpse into the kingdom of God, and a revelation of the path to be trodden on our way there. It is an expansion which enables us to realise that "the Kingdom of God is a state of the soul, coming from the spirit and reflected in the body." The first step into this kingdom is through the new Birth. The second step is through the baptism of Purification. It is a process of growth in the characteristics of the kingdom, and the gradual attainment of that maturity which marks the citizen of that kingdom. To this, Christ testified through the baptism when He attained maturity, setting us an example, and through His triumphant passing of the tests of the three temptations He demonstrated the needed purity. The babe in Christ, the little child, the full-grown man, the perfected man! Through the Bethlehem experience the babe is born. The little child grows to maturity and manifests in his purity and power at the Baptism. He demonstrates at the Transfiguration as the full-grown man, and, on the Cross, he stands forth the perfected Son of God. An initiation is that moment in which a man feels and knows through every part of his being that life is reality and reality is life. For a brief moment his consciousness becomes all-enfolding; he not only sees the vision and hears the word of recognition, but knows that the vision is of himself, and that the word is himself made flesh. This is the essential factor. An initiation is a blaze of illumination thrown upon the river of existence, and it is in the nature of a whole experience. There is no indefiniteness in it, and the initiate is never quite the same again in his consciousness... http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Zdaj pa lahko sam pri sebi meditiraš, ozaveščaš, itd...kateri vzorčki so te zmotili...za to z rdečo ti dam pa 1% pravilnosti, da ne bo glih 0, da ti ne zbijam morale...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Glih ozadje tega kar bhakti predstavlja in kar lahko povleče usput je tiste 2/3 kar se boš moral še naučiti in kar se na T. forumu ni poudarjal....in kot sem rekel ni vse v vzorcih in filozofijah...kot drugo pa na ozaveščanje vzorcev vpliva ravno to kar gre vzporedno z njimi in to se skriva glih v teh 2/3...Zato se ne čudit, če boš nek vzorec ozaveščal 10x pa ga še ne boš dokrajčil...Zakaj pa ti ne pozabiš filozofije o vzorcih, abecedi ali način človeškega sporazumevanj in začneš kao z nule...Potem pa lahko telepatsko komuniciraš z ostalimi, če te bodo razumeli...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Izstopiti iz nekaj ven, še ne pomeni tega pozabiti ali ne uporabljati...zlasti kadar je potrebno da se nekomu razloži, vodi, usmerja...bistvo je jasno videti (brez slepil, tako kot je) in razločevati (resnico od slepil)...po drugi strani pa človek ki o temu govori, še ne pomeni, da je pod vplivom teh...tukaj pride pa na vrsto tista prava duhovnost, ne pa neki new age trič trači...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png Meni je pa smešno zakaj "krst" povezujete prav z religijo, cerkvijo, krščanstvom...mogoče zato ker se tam največ uporablja in je najbolj znan...pa čeprav ima zakulisje bolj malo s tem...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

A si odmeditiral, preveril, šel skozi fazo razločevanja...potem ti pa ne bo problem odgovoriti v kolikšni meri se motim...in še bolje v kolikšni meri se motiš ti....http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Kaj pa če ta resnica za katero misliš, da je resnična, sploh ni resnica, ampak iluzija oz. popačena resnična resnica...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

A nisi v indiji videl nobenih bakti joginov, ki še preživeti niso morali brez pomoči drugih...tale trditev je skoraj toliko točna kot glasovo kritiziranje tebe...zdaj pa študiraj whats the catch...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

Glas...samo majčken namig...delaš iste oz. podobne napake kot pri meni...Govoriš podobne stvari kot so se govorile na T. forumu...ampak na primeru mgd-ja si se spet malo opekel...se boš moral še veliko naučiti na njegovem primeru...Čeprav mgd izraža slepila, ki so nekaterim že na daleč vidna, je dejansko na višji razvojni stopnji kot ti. Razlika je skoraj 1/3 lifea, če vzamemo v okvir napredek povprečnih duhovnjakov....Malo preveri kaj vse očitaš mgd-ju v zgornjem postu in koliko dejansko to sploh drži...Mogoče boš presenečen kako malo dejansko od tega drži...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/icon_smesko.gif Podzavestni vzorci so samo 1/3 problema...pa če obračaš ovako ili onakvo...kaj pa ostalih 2/3...skratka ni vse v podzavestnih vzorcih...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

V trgovinah s prehrano zlasti kašnih velecentrih se je vedno "gagal" oz. po domače povedano bolj delal kot pa v kakšnih zakotnih trgovinah s prehrano, tehničnimi trgovimnami, ipd. V Hofru in Lidlu imajo dobre plače, je pa tudi res da delajo še enkrat toliko kot kje drugje v isti branži. Pravila v SLO so malo drugačna kot v nemčiji...podobno kot se pri nas gleda bosance, bolgare, ipd.- zviška, tako nemci gledajo tudi na balkance in ostale vzhodne evropske države. Kar hoče simon povedat je komu ni v interesu, da bi se zadeve tako poštimalo kot je recimo v italiji- tam ni zajebancije s finančno policijo pa čeprav tam prevladuje mafija. Komu ni v interesu, da bi se kupovalo direktno od dobaviteljev, kdo bi pri temu izgubil provizije, kdo ima sedaj največ od izčrpavanja podjetij, itd... Evo tipičen primer... http://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija/v-slovenskem-zdravstvenem-sistemu-nepregledno-odtekajo-milijoni-zakaj-se-bolnisnice-ne-zgledujejo-po-zasebnikih.html

Mgd...da se razumemo kaj je bilo mišljeno gor...pod drugi odstavek...ne vem kolikokrat si rekel, če služiš Krišni in ga kao zadovoljiš, da s tem vplivaš (zadovoljiš) tudi vse stvarstvo oz. bitjeca v njem...skratka tvoje bajke so govorile nekaj v tej smeri...To se pravi, da lahko naslednjič ponudiš Krišni tudi kaj denarja ali hrane, po možnosti čimveč...in potem lahko samo upam, da se bo to poznalo tudi v moji ali v drugih denarnicah...mogoče pa potem ne bo več lačnih ljudi in revežev na svetu...Razen če...tralala...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Se pravi da ti ne rabiš pisati v vsaki temi, ker tudi črna luknja je povezana z Bogom, torej lahko razglabljaš tam...al pa v svoji kao temi...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png http://www.lunin.net/forum/index.php/topic/16072-sri-krisna/?hl=kri%9Ana Ko boš naslednjič služil Krišno...polival kipec z mlekom, vodo, mu daroval cvetje, itd...povej...da vidim, če bo voda oprala tudi mene, koža dobila kao mlečno kremo, če bom čutil rože v svoji bližini...Če ne bo nič od tega potem bo pa mogoče re4s čas, da malo razmisliš o svojih PREPRIČANJIH...tudi prepričanja je treba ozaveščati...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png To vprašanje je pa eno izmed tistih, ki si zaslužijo majčkeno medaljo za "neumnost"...Komur je vsaj malo jasno zakaj se rodim, zakaj živim, kam grem....takih budalavštin ne bi spraševal...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png To vprašanje je pa eno izmed tistih, ki bi dobilo drugo majčkeno medaljo za "neumnost"...a obstaja kakšna razlika med fizičnim bitjem in nefizičnim...plusi in minusi enega in drugega...halooo...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Kot da bi ti Krišna namenil "blessing", da si glasno izgovoril tisto kar v zelo veliki meri velja tudi za tebe in kar nočeš videti ali pa se izogibaš...zdaj se mu pa lahko zahvališ s Hare Krišna pesmico...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png

A lahko poveš še kaj o "pravem" egu, ne samo o lažnem...ali pa o skupku obeh...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png V popolnosti nima nobena dušica kaj prevelike želje uživati mayo...in dušica tudi ne pade kar takoj v "enem življenskem ciklusu"...V popolnosti ni nobene maye, torej jo je moral Bogec najprej ustvariti in to z nekim namenom...Ampak zgleda da so te zgodbice malo preveč za tvoj trenutno omejeni um...zato se raje drži zgodbic za bebice...Po drugi strani pa ni treba moriti drugim, če jih te zgodbice ne zanimajo, ampak jih zanima bolj rumeni trič trač kao za odrasle...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Neresnične pravljice, ki so jih govorili in jih še govorijo človečki oz. bitjeca katerim "lotosovim" stopalom se lahko tvoji sedaj tako opevani živeči duhovni učitelji klanjajo...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png Tvoja vprašanja so bila namenjena bolj temu, da prideš do neke točke kjer lahko spet začneš "papagajat" zgodbice, ki si jih omenil že ne vem kolikokrat...in bolj malo temu da bi nekoga "razsvetlil", da bi naredil kakšen korak naprej...Da bi popolni Bog zahteval služenje od dušic in jih zaradi "neuboganja" poslal v "pekel"...zgodbice, ki imajo preveč lukenj in nasprotujočih si izjav...Pa to lahko opazi že vsak malo bolj resen duhovnjak...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png

Če bi se mgd-ju vsaj malo sanjal o pojmu involucija- evolucija, ne bi spraševal tako "trapastih" vprašanj kot so bila omenjena zgoraj...dojenčku razlagat abecedo nima smisla, raje naj se mu da igra igračko v obliki Krišne in bo imel svoje veselje...za nekaj časa...dokler ne odraste...http://www.lunin.net/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png