ananta 13. december 2005 Prijavi Deli 13. december 2005 --- In adriangilbertdiscussionforum@yahoogroups.com, jennifer gamble<birtwistle01@y...> wrote:>> Dear Adrian,> Dear Jennifer and Adrian. Venus sometimes goes into Pegasus, thendown into Cetus and through Pisces. I have animated one such occasionaround year 1100 when a New Moon in Pisces/Cetus happens with Junoand Venus dropping down from Pegasus. In publications like Venus in Special Constellations details aregiven as concerns astrology, however Venus in Hydra (2007) or Orion(2004) are hardly special positions. Venus in Ophiuchus happens every winter. Venus is one of the mostsurprising objects as studied by three astrolnomers only, that JanMeeus including. I am in contact with them on occasion. The materialis bundled within the astronomic zodiac, a complex as well asfascinating subject. Sincerely, Klaudio Zic http://neodruid.tk http://new-planet.tk http://www.lulu.com/zodiac > Today Venus goes retrograde astrologically speaking and willremain this way until Feb 3rd. In effect the passage of Venus willfall below the ecliptic before resuming direct motion and risingabove it again. This creates a sine trace similar to a pair of hornsas it rises and falls then rises again as the morning star - Lucceferre> That's rather correct astronomically speaking. > I heard that the Mayans used to execute prisoners at the heliacalrising of Venus and started wars when Venus was at maximum elongation.> Like Sothis!? Venus is metal planet and attacker in Chinese astronomy, while Marsis enemy as general significator. > With Venus at maximum elongation before her fall today, let ushope that the captors of the prisoners currently held in Iraq are notsimilarly inclined, for the only beneficiary of such bloodlust wouldbe Erishkegal, sister of Innana later known as Venus.>>Eridu knows how to take care of itself? > Jennifer>>>> Adrian Gilbert <gilbertadrian@h...> wrote: I can't leave thisthread without offering some defence for the> poor old Spanish who get all the blame for the failures of> Mesoamerican culture today.>> If you read the old books, especially the works of Bernardino> Sahagun, who was a great friend of the Indians in the immediate> years after the conquest, you will find things were not sowonderful> before the Spanish arrived in Mexico.>> The Aztec culture in particular was exceptionally barbaric andblood-> thirsty. They had festivals throughout the year and nearly all of> these involved human sacrifice. Sometimes this was simply removing> the heart or de-capitation. At other times people were partially> burnt alive and then sacrificed. On other occassions victims would> be flayed alive and then the priests don the blood-dripping skinand> dance around in this for up to twenty days, by which time theystank> of putrifaction.>> Something like 50,000 or more indians would be sacrificed annually> in this way. Just to inaugurate the central pyramid of Tenochtitlan> (Mexico City) some 20,000 people were sacrificed and their blood> dripped down it. The Spanish croncle how this 'sacred' buildingstank of gore, as did the Aztec 'priests'.>> When the Spanish arrived in Mexico they found the neighbouring> tribes absolutely terrified of their Aztec masters. The reason they> succeeded in conquering this mighty empire was partly the ingenuity> of Cortes himself: he was a fantastic spin-doctor and diplomat.> More to the point the Spanish invaders formed a rallying point fora general rebellion among the down-trodden people. With only 200 mena few horses and some guns Cortes was able to capture a city of maybehalf a million and destroy the Aztec Empire for good.>> You may think this was a terrible case of genocide but think again.> Yes the Spanish did do terrible things and foreced people to workfor them. However, most of the deaths were down to imported diseases.The Indigenous Indians had no defence against measles or even thecommon cold. In return they gave the Europeans Syphilis, which isstill a terrible scourge to this day. Not all the indians died fromover-work or disease. Many simply committed suicide because they wereafraid that if they accepted the Spanish> conquest their own gods would be angry with them.>> The conquest of Mexico is described in many books, some written by> eye-witnesses. People thought that what they said was surely an> invention of Spanish propagandists until modern archaeologyrevealed the truth. The Spanish described racks of skulls belongingto the decapitated victims. Archaeology has revealed stone sculpturesof these racks. The Spanish described how sacrifices were carriedout, archaeology has revealed images of this. The Spanish describedthe central pyramid, modern archaeology has not only found itsfoundations but revealed that the soil in the area is still soaked inhuman fats and blood residues.>> So don't weep too much after the indigenous culture of Mexico. LikeNazism it was quite horrible and had to be destroyed.>> As regards the Maya there are other myths that need to beaddressed.> It is quite true that the Mayans did not die out. However the Mayan> civilization certainly did. The last incription at Palenque isdated> 799 A.D. The last date at Yaxchilan is 808 AD, at Caracol the last> date is 859. This represents the end of the southern low-land> civilization, the period of greatest interest to archaeologists and> mystics alike.>> A post-Classic florescence took place in the Yucatan and in> Guatemala after this. The earliest date at Chichen Itza (Yucatan)is 867 but the city was abandoned in 1200. A last gasp of YucatecanMayan culture happened at Mayapan, which was founded in 1250. Thiscity, an inferior copy of Chichen Itza, fell to a rebellion in 1451.>> By the time the Spanish arrived in 1520 there was nothing of all> this Yucatecan civilization left. The remaining Maya were living inabject and practised cannibalism. There were flourishing cities inGuatemala that the Spanish conquered and massacred the nobility butthese were the exception not the rule.>> As regards the Maya, I have great interest in their knowledge and> predictions. However, they too were not the peace-lovers they are> made out to be in romantic literature. One reason for the decline> and collapse of Mayan civilization was the incessant warfarebetween> city states. One purpose of these wars was to capture enemy nobles.> These unfortunates could be held captive for years and tortured> regularly. Then, when the planets were in the right place, they> would be ritually sacrificed.>> Human sacrifice of this sort is one of the practices that the> Spanish put an end to. For that the Modern Maya have something tobe> thankful for even if they dislike the church and its interferencein> other native customs.>> On the subject of slavery, yes of course this was an abominable> practice, mostly the result of British traders buying slaves from> black rulers in West Africa and shipping them across the sea to> sugar and cotton plantations in the West Indies and Southern States> of America. However, it should also be recognised that it was> Britain which put an end to slave trafficking on the high seas.> Because the British navy ruled the waves throughout the 19thcentury, they were able to enforce this ban on other nations too.That effectively brought slavery to an end everywhere except in theArab world where it continues to this day.>> In the case of Mexico there are few people there of Afro-extraction.> Most are either pure-blooded indians or Mestizos, a mixture of> European and Indian blood.>> And before you call me a cold-blooded racist for daring to defend> the Spanish in their colonial enterprises, let me point out to you> that we really don't know who was guilty. If, like me, you believe> in reincarnation, then it is quite possible that in a past life you> too were a slave-trader. Guilt from such a life could be thedriving> force behind many anti-racists today.>> Think about it. Most of us don't know who we were in the past. So> the blame game for the ills of previous centuries is a waste of> time. What matters is the here and now and what you, me andeveryone> else does with our lives today. Make the most of it because life ispainfully short for all of us.>> Adrian.>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS>>> Visit your group "adriangilbertdiscussionforum" on the web.>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:> adriangilbertdiscussionforum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms ofService.>>> --------------------------------->>>>> 1 Citiraj http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/astrology Link to comment Deli na socialnih omrežjih Več možnosti deljenja...
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